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'''WARNING: Do not cite this page as a reference. This page is on this wikispace only to make the content "searchable" and easier to find. If you find the information you seek here, go to the original sources to verify the information and use them for your documentation.'''
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=Illustrations:=  
==Illustrations:==  
==Period sources:==  
===Period sources:===  
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==Modern Sources:==  
===Modern Sources:===  
===Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition:===  
====Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition:====  
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/comet/ Comet]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/comet/ Comet]


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===[[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]:===  
====[[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]:====  
* [http://www.aeheralds.net/Links/AE_Traceable_Art/IndivPDFs/Comet.pdf Comet]</span>
* [http://www.aeheralds.net/Links/AE_Traceable_Art/IndivPDFs/Comet.pdf Comet]</span>
   
   
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==Definition:==  
==Definition:==  
===May 2021 CL - From Wreath: On Comets===
This month we were presented with a comet having straight rays for its head, and a single elongated, straight ray for its beard, matching that seen in the arms of Beneditti referenced on the October 2013 Cover Letter:
However, we do have period evidence of mullets elongated to base (i.e., only the basemost ray is stretched out), but those appear to be a variant of a comet, not normal mullet. An example of such a comet can be seen in the 16th century Italian armorial Insignia Nobilium Patavinorum, BSB Cod.icon. 275, on f.65r (found at http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00001422/image_137).
...commentary by Ané{zv}ka Pantheon and Iago Boar provided evidence of a variety of depictions of comets in period armory: some with dominant beards supporting the current precedent regarding tincture, and others with more balanced or even dominant heads, going against the idea of tincture being beard-focused. We have therefore decided to overturn past precedent: Comets will take their tincture equally from head and beard, similarly to how we consider sunbursts ("The cloud and the rays are each half of the charge." [Windhaven, Barony of, 01/2020, A-Northshield]). We note that comets with beards so diminutive that the whole charge passes for a simple mullet may fail to be granted any DC for difference in type for those cases.
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2021/05/21-05cl.html#4


===October 2013 - elongated mullets are comets:===
===October 2013 - elongated mullets are comets:===
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"Some commenters felt that heading a comet of a roundel, rather than a mullet or an estoile, might be an additional problem with this armory. However, given the different period depictions of comets, a comet headed of a roundel is a reasonable variant."
"Some commenters felt that heading a comet of a roundel, rather than a mullet or an estoile, might be an additional problem with this armory. However, given the different period depictions of comets, a comet headed of a roundel is a reasonable variant."
[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/07/02-07lar.html July 2002 LoAR]
[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/07/02-07lar.html July 2002 LoAR]


==Registerability:'==  
==Registerability:'==  
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http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/08/14-08cl.html
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/08/14-08cl.html


==Conflict:==
==Conflict:==  
 
===May 2021 CL - tincture from both tails and heads===
This month we were presented with a comet having straight rays for its head, and a single elongated, straight ray for its beard, matching that seen in the arms of Beneditti referenced on the October 2013 Cover Letter:
 
However, we do have period evidence of mullets elongated to base (i.e., only the basemost ray is stretched out), but those appear to be a variant of a comet, not normal mullet. An example of such a comet can be seen in the 16th century Italian armorial Insignia Nobilium Patavinorum, BSB Cod.icon. 275, on f.65r (found at http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00001422/image_137).


It was later ruled in January 2015 that "This badge is clear of conflict with the device of Deirdre de Clarik, Per chevron sable and azure, a comet palewise argent, bearded Or. There is a DC for fieldlessness, and another DC for the difference in tincture of the comet, as ''a comet's tincture is based on the tincture of the beard''." [emphasis added]
Citing that precedent, Anna Syveken's badge, Per chevron ployé azure and sable, a comet Or was returned in 2019 and similarly this badge would also be returned, each for conflict against Deirdre de Clarik's device, which has both an argent estoile as its head, and an Or beard approximately as long as the estoile is tall.
However, commentary by Ané{zv}ka Pantheon and Iago Boar provided evidence of a variety of depictions of comets in period armory: some with dominant beards supporting the current precedent regarding tincture, and others with more balanced or even dominant heads, going against the idea of tincture being beard-focused. We have therefore decided to overturn past precedent: Comets will take their tincture equally from head and beard, similarly to how we consider sunbursts ("The cloud and the rays are each half of the charge." [Windhaven, Barony of, 01/2020, A-Northshield]). We note that comets with beards so diminutive that the whole charge passes for a simple mullet may fail to be granted any DC for difference in type for those cases.
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2021/05/21-05cl.html#4


==Identifiability:==  
==Identifiability:==  
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'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>


=In the Ordinary=
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(as of 4/2012):
<u>'''In the Ordinary'''</u> (as of 4/2012):
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=COMET Comet]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=COMET Comet]


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