Editing Fish

=Illustrations:=  

==Period:==  

===Rays:===  

===Attired fish, winged fish, fish head:===  

===Dolphin, sardines on a bend, woman windsurfing a fish:===  

===Fish interlaced, fish on a stringer, fish skeleton:===  

==Modern:==  

===PicDic:===  

* ''[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/fish/ Fish], ''see: [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/barbel/ barbel], [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/calamarie/ calamarie], [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/crab/ crab]], [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/dolphin/ dolphin], [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/eel/ eel], [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/lucy/ lucy], [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/sea-horse/ sea-horse (natural)], [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/whale/ whale].

 

| http://mistholme.com/dictionary/barbel/ || http://mistholme.com/dictionary/dolphin/ || http://mistholme.com/dictionary/fish/  

===[[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]===  

=SENA Appendix L:=  

==A Partial List of Postures and Orientations==  

This is a list of postures and orientations that can be used to determine whether two charges or groups of charges conflict or whether there is a distinct change for posture/orientation.

===Animate Charges===  

D. Fish: The postures listed within each group generally conflict, though a distinct change may be given for facing to dexter or to sinister.

* haurient, urinant

* naiant

F. Sea creatures and other Erect-Default Creatures: This category is for sea creatures and other creatures whose default is erect. The postures listed within each group generally conflict.</span>

* erect

 

=A Heraldic Primer:=

 

 

As we have discussed the birds of the air and the beasts of the field, the denizens of the ocean are also seen in armory. They range from the dolphin (a fish very different from Flipper) and the whale through various different fish used primarily for canting. Rounding out the aquatic cavalcade are lobsters, crabs, escallops, octopi [now to be blazoned as polypus/polypi as of March 2012 LoAR in order to use a more period term] and squid [to be blazoned as calamarie or cuttle-fish per the March 2012 LoAR].

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Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html <br>

==Definition:==  

===December 2013 - dolphin posture:===  

From Wreath: Dancing Dolphins

This month a ruling had us examining heraldic dolphins more closely. Precedent has long held that there is no DC for the difference in facing of a dolphin to dexter or sinister when it is haurient or urinant (in a vertical orientation). This precedent traces back to a ruling made in May 1992:

* [a dolphin urinant contourny versus a dolphin urinant] There is...nothing for reversing the fish in this position... [Isabeau Bonheur, R-Caid, May 1992 LoAR]

The Glossary of Terms states that the default posture for a heraldic dolphin is naiant (in a horizontal orientation). It says nothing about whether or not the body is straight, embowed, or embowed-counterembowed, and we do not typically grant difference for these variations. A random examination of registrations both old and recent show that the typical depiction for heraldic dolphins is embowed-counterembowed, as expected, and so we are explicitly adding that to the default posture for heraldic dolphins, regardless of their orientation on the field.

 

... If the dolphin is drawn in such a manner that it is difficult to tell which way it is facing, as in the May 1992 submission, it will be returned for redraw.

===September 2011 - manta ray default posture:===  

==egisterability (Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP):==  

===September 2011 - manta ray:===  

==Conflict:==  

==January 2021 - On Heraldic Whales and Natural Dolphins, a Correction==

On the March 2020 Cover Letter discussion regarding conflict between whales and dolphins, we stated in the final list item that "A heraldic whale conflicts with a heraldic dolphin". As should be apparent from the discussion, that item should have read "A heraldic whale conflicts with a natural dolphin".

We thank Jeanne-Marie Palimpsest for raising this error to our attention.

https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2021/01/21-01cl.html#6

In summary:

* A heraldic whale conflicts with a heraldic dolphin [corrected in 2021 CL: "heraldic whale conflicts with '''natural''' dolphin"]

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2020/03/20-03cl.html#3

===December 2013 - dolphins facing:===

* [a dolphin urinant contourny versus a dolphin urinant] There is...nothing for reversing the fish in this position... [Isabeau Bonheur, R-Caid, May 1992 LoAR]

 

 

An examination of the two devices in conflict in May 1992 shows that while the registered dolphin was embowed-counterembowed, the submitted one was nearly straight. It does seem reasonable to grant no difference for the facing to dexter or sinister for a straight fish haurient or urinant. However, as a well-drawn dolphin has a distinct head, even when the degree of embowing is small, we are able to tell in which direction it is facing; therefore we are explicitly overturning precedent with regards to dolphins, and will grant difference for facing. This is analogous to our ruling in July 2013, that granted a DC between haurient or urinant as "dolphins have a distinct enough head to distinguish whether the head is to chief, as in haurient, or to base, as in urinant." If the dolphin is drawn in such a manner that it is difficult to tell which way it is facing, as in the May 1992 submission, it will be returned for redraw.

 

==Identifiability:==

 

 

* 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -

** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994)] and

* 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -

**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991)] and

* The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html Collected Precedents]

 

=In the Ordinary=  

* Fish - Alewife - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FISH%2dANGELFISH Fish - Angelfish]]

* Fish - Catfish - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Crab - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/A.html#arthropodlobster Arthropod - Lobster]]

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=DOLPHIN%3a1 Fish - Dolphin - 1]] (includes mahi mahi)

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=DOLPHIN%3a2 Fish - Dolphin - 2]]

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=DOLPHIN%3a3%20or%20more Fish - Dolphin - 3 or more]]

* Fish - Herring - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Lobster - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/A.html#arthropodlobster Arthropod - Lobster]]

* Fish - Lucy - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Marlin - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Mollusk - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#mollusk Mollusk]]

* Fish - Narwhal - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishwhale Fish - Whale]]

* Fish - Octopus - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#molluskoctopus Mollusk - Octopus]]

* Fish - Orca - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishwhale Fish - Whale]]

* Fish - Perch - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Pike - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]  

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FISH%2dRAY Fish - Ray]]

* Fish - Roach - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Sailfin - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Salmon - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Sculpin - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FISH%2dSEAHORSE Fish - Seahorse]]

* Fish - Shark - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Stingray - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishray Fish - Ray]]

* Fish - Swordfish - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* Fish - Trout - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/F.html#fishother Fish - Other]]

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FISH%2dWHALE Fish - Whale]]  

* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FISH8OTHER Fish - Other]]

* Fish fin - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/B.html#bodypart| Body part]]

* Fish hook - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/H.html#hook Hook]]

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