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===Illustrations:=== | |||
==Period source/s:== | ==Period source/s:== | ||
[[File:UniverseelWapenboek_c1558_KM1008_Goutty.jpg|129x169px|Goutty]] | [[File:UniverseelWapenboek_c1558_KM1008_Goutty.jpg|129x169px|Goutty]] | ||
Goutty | Goutty | ||
= | ===='''Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):'''==== | ||
===Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):=== | * <span style="font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">''<span style="background-color: #edf6fe; color: #123b66; font-family: inherit; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">[[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/gout/|Gout]]</span>''</span> | ||
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/gout/ Gout] | * [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/icicle/|Icicle]] | ||
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/icicle/ Icicle] | * [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/tomoe/|Tomoe]] | ||
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/tomoe/ Tomoe] | |||
=== | ====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]:</span>==== | ||
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===Special names for tinctured gouttes -=== | |||
From the Heraldic Primer - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/primer/goutes.html]] | |||
Gouttes are stylized drops of differing types. They are rarely seen alone and when there is a semy of gouttes, it is called goutty. The gouttes of each tincture have special names which are sometimes used instead of their tincture: | Gouttes are stylized drops of differing types. They are rarely seen alone and when there is a semy of gouttes, it is called goutty. The gouttes of each tincture have special names which are sometimes used instead of their tincture: | ||
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| <span style="line-height: 1.5;">A </span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">goutte d'eau</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">.(A goutte argent.)</span> | |||
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|[[File:http:''www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedeau.gif]] || <span style="line-height: 1.5;">A </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">goutte de larmes</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">.(A goutte azure.)</span> | |||
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|[[File:http:''www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedelarmes.gif]] || <span style="line-height: 1.5;">A </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">goutte de sangue</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">.(A goutte gules.)</span> | |||
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|[[File:http:''www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedesangue.gif]] || <span style="line-height: 1.5;">A </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">goutte d'or</span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">.(A goutte Or.)</span>[[File:http:''www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedor.gif]] | |||
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| <span style="line-height: 1.5;">A </span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">goutte de vin</span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">.(A goutte purpure.)</span>[[File:http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedevin.gif]] || <span style="line-height: 1.5;">A </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">goutte de poix</span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">.(A goutte sable.)</span>[[File:http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedepoix.gif]] || <span style="line-height: 1.5;">A </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">goutte d'huile</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">.(A goutte vert.)</span> | |||
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|[[File:http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedhuile.gif]] | |||
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|====Mnemonic song for remembering the names for gouttes:==== | |||
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|> <u>"The Sangue des gouttes"</u> | |||
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|> D'eau: a goutte, a silver goutte. | |||
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| | |> D'or: a drop of golden sun. | ||
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| | |> D'huile: a name for olive gouttes. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | |> Poix: a pitch-drop on the run. | ||
| | |- | ||
| | |> Sangue: a needle-prick that's bled. | ||
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|> Larmes: the tears of blue that flow. | |||
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|> Vin: a drink with thou and bread | |||
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|> That will bring us back to d'eau d'eau d'eau d'eau ... | |||
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|> ''[tune from the Sound of Music]'' | |||
|} | |} | ||
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===Precedents:=== | |||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span> | |||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span> | |||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span> | |||
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>'' | |||
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Definition:]]<u>'''Definition:'''</u></span>==== | |||
= | '''From the March 2013 Cover Letter:''' | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From Wreath: The Shape of Things -- Gouttes</span> | |||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Commenters were recently asked to find period depictions of gouttes, to better determine whether teardrop-shaped gouttes are acceptable or not.</span> | |||
= | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Gouttes are fairly rare in period heraldry. The vast majority were drawn with quite distinct wavy tails. There were two counter examples found:</span> | ||
=== | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* Virgil Raber, Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft 1548, on page 861 (found at </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[[@http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">). These are clearly teardrop-shaped elongated gouttes.</span> | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* Afonzo V of Portugal's emblem of a spinning paddle wheel spraying droplets as seen in the late 15th Century Flemish Pastrana Tapestries (image at </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[[@http://www.nga.gov/press/event/3344_event.shtm]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">). Most of the gouttes here are wavy-tailed, but some are simply embowed, as being flung from the paddles.</span> | |||
* Afonzo V of Portugal's emblem of a spinning paddle wheel spraying droplets as seen in the late 15th Century Flemish Pastrana Tapestries (image at http://www.nga.gov/press/event/3344_event.shtm ). Most of the gouttes here are wavy-tailed, but some are simply embowed, as being flung from the paddles. | |||
The gouttes in Afonzo V's emblem cannot be described as discrete charges, while the ones in the Virgil Raber Wappenbuch can be. We are less concerned with the depiction of essentially maintained charges treated as artistic detailing, such as with the drops of water flung from Afonzo V's paddle wheel, or with drops of blood coming from a couped head. For non-maintained or otherwise artistic charges, however, given the evidence we express a strong preference for the traditional wavy-tailed gouttes. Teardrop shaped gouttes are registerable as long as they are elongated, more than twice as long as they are wide. Any other shape will be returned after the October 2013 decision meetings. | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">The gouttes in Afonzo V's emblem cannot be described as discrete charges, while the ones in the Virgil Raber Wappenbuch can be. We are less concerned with the depiction of essentially maintained charges treated as artistic detailing, such as with the drops of water flung from Afonzo V's paddle wheel, or with drops of blood coming from a couped head. For non-maintained or otherwise artistic charges, however, given the evidence we express a strong preference for the traditional wavy-tailed gouttes. Teardrop shaped gouttes are registerable as long as they are elongated, more than twice as long as they are wide. Any other shape will be returned after the October 2013 decision meetings.</span> | ||
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03cl.html]] | |||
= | '''<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';">From October 2012 Cover Letter:</span>''' | ||
From Wreath: The Shape of Things -- Gouttes | From Wreath: The Shape of Things -- Gouttes | ||
In August 1996, when ruling that gouttes could not be voided, the Cover Letter of the LoAR stated: | <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">In August 1996, when ruling that gouttes could not be voided, the Cover Letter of the LoAR stated:</span> | ||
> While it is true that goutes in period were occasionally drawn like a modern teardrop, that form was the exception, not the rule. The more standard period form looks like a thin drop with a long wavy tail which is not a "simple geometric form". | |||
This ruling apparently was repeating an earlier ruling from the August 1995 LoAR, which said "there are period examples of tear-drop goutes..." An inspection of the commentary at the time, however, provided no actual evidence aside from a statement by one commenter. | <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">This ruling apparently was repeating an earlier ruling from the August 1995 LoAR, which said "there are period examples of tear-drop goutes..." An inspection of the commentary at the time, however, provided no actual evidence aside from a statement by one commenter.</span> | ||
We invite commenters to provide information regarding period depictions of gouttes. Specifically, we are wishing to find any attestations of teardrop shaped gouttes, or gouttes shaped in ways other than the standard thin drop with a long wavy tail. | <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">We invite commenters to provide information regarding period depictions of gouttes. Specifically, we are wishing to find any attestations of teardrop shaped gouttes, or gouttes shaped in ways other than the standard thin drop with a long wavy tail.</span> | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10cl.html | |||
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Registerability:]]<u>'''Registerability:'''</u></span>==== | |||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span> | |||
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]<u>'''Conflict:'''</u></span>==== | |||
== | ====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:]]<u>'''Identifiability:'''</u></span>==== | ||
==Collected Precedents:== | ====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>==== | ||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - none</span> | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - </span>'''<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#GOUTTE|GOUTTE]]</span> | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -</span>''' | |||
=Ordinary= | ---- | ||
===<u>'''In the [[scaheraldry/Ordinary|Ordinary]]'''</u>:=== | |||
(includes icicle) | (includes icicle) | ||
* Gout - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/G.html#goute Goute]] | * Gout - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/G.html#goute|Goute]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3aargent Goute - Argent]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3aargent|Goute - Argent]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3aazure Goute - Azure]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3aazure|Goute - Azure]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3afur Goute - Fur]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3afur|Goute - Fur]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3agules Goute - Gules]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3agules|Goute - Gules]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3amulticolor Goute - Multicolor]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3amulticolor|Goute - Multicolor]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3aor Goute - Or]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3aor|Goute - Or]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3apurpure Goute - Purpure]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3apurpure|Goute - Purpure]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3asable Goute - Sable]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3asable|Goute - Sable]] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3avert Goute - Vert]] | * [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GOUTE%3avert|Goute - Vert]] | ||
* Goutte - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/G.html#goute Goute]] | * Goutte - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/G.html#goute|Goute]] | ||
* Goutty - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/G.html#goute Goute]] | * Goutty - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/G.html#goute|Goute]] | ||
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