Editing Irish Names

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<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">See also [[Gaelic Names]].</span>

==Masculine vs. Feminine Name Endings:== 
<span style="background-color: #f6f7f8; color: #141823; font-family: helvetica,arial,'lucida grande',sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">From the introduction to ''Irish Names'' by Ó Corrain, Donnchadh & Maguire (OCM):</span>
* <span style="background-color: #f6f7f8; color: #141823; font-family: helvetica,arial,'lucida grande',sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.5;">The Irish, as most peoples, distinguish sharply between male and female names... With few exceptions, all names ending in -án, -éne, and -ine are masculine. [-ine should have an accent on the i]. These may be frequently turned into female names by substituting -nat or -sech. Quite a number of female names are compounds containing the (element) word flaith as a second element.</span>

==<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Women's "relationship" Names:</span>== 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #500050; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Saying <name> wife of <name> in Irish: </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Academy of S. Gabriel Report #2817 (</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[[@http:''www.s-gabriel.org/2817]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;"> ) has a number of examples - primarily 16th C. Some earlier examples (14th and 15th C) are found in Report #2501 (</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[[@http:''www.s-gabriel.org/2501]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">).</span>

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Women with Mac- and O- style bynames in "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" by Mari ingen Briain (</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[[@http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Feminine.shtml]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">)</span>

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=<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Sources:</span>= 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Names Archive" - [[http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Database of medieval names (from the Medieval Names Archive) - [[http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/database/]]</span>

<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Archive of St. Gabriel reports - [[http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Laurel Name Articles - [[http:''heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/|http:''heraldry.sca.org/laurel/]]</span>

==Irish Language:== 
How to Pronounce Irish for Beginners - http://angaelmagazine.com/pronunciation/introduction.htm

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">Electronic Dictionary of the Irish Language - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">[[@http://edil.qub.ac.uk/]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;"> .</span>
Irish Language on Omniglot - <span style="line-height: 1.5;">[[http://www.omniglot.com/writing/irish.htm]]</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.5;">Irish Orthography (pronunciation) on Wikipedia - [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_orthography]]</span>

==Period Texts:== 
CELT (Corpus of Electronic Texts) - http://celt.ucc.ie/publishd.html#tfirish

==Names Sources:== 
Woulfe, Rev. Patrick. <u>Irish Names and Surnames</u> (on-line) - http://www.libraryireland.com/names/contents.php

"Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien) - <span style="line-height: 1.5;">http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/ - includes names from the Annals of Ulster (</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif; line-height: 1.5;">Annala Uladh)</span><span style="line-height: 1.5;">, etc.</span>

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"Old Norse Forms of Early Irish Names" by Brian Scott - (</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[[@http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/drafts/irish-norse.html]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">)</span>

100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (Heather Rose Jones) - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/irish100.html



='''Placenames''':= 
[[Irish Placenames]]

Ireland's History in Maps - [[http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/index.htm]]

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=<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents:</span>= 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>''

=='''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Collected Precedents of the SCA: Gaelic (Irish, Manx, Scottish) -</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Gaelic.html]]</span>== 

=='''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Collected Precedents of the SCA: Irish (non-Gaelic) -</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> [[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/IrishNonGaelic.html]]</span>== 

===<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">December 2013 - undated headers in Woulfe:</span>=== 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">Domhnall Ó Loirgeneáin. The Gaelic byname Ó Loirgneáin is an undated header form in Woulfe. An</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">Anglicized Irish form of the byname, O'Largan, is dated to 1587 in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe" (</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">[[@http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/SortedByAnglicizedRoot.shtml]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">).</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">Thus, this name is reasonable for 16th century Irish Gaelic, and can be registered.</span>

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/12/13-12lar.html#84

'''September 2013 CL - Mac and scribal abbreviations:'''
From Pelican: Reconsidering Mac and Mc (and ending up at the same place)
In September 2007, Pelican ruled that Mc and M' were scribal abbreviations for Mac and hence unregisterable. Since then, we have found considerable quantities of new Scots language and Anglicized Irish data. Thus, we revisited the question of whether Mc was only an abbreviation through 1600, or if it had begun to take on life as an independent element. Alys Mackyntoich did considerable research in the Records of the Parliaments of Scotland, all of which suggested that Mc remained a variant of (and presumably abbreviation of) Mac until after the end of our period. Thus, we will not change precedent: both Mc and M' will be expanded to Mac for registration purposes. Individuals with names expanded to Mac should of course feel free to use abbreviated forms like Mc and M' as documentary forms of their name.
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/09/13-09cl.html]]

'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">April 2012 CL - Mac and O, interchangeable or not:</span>'''
===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">From Pelican: Mac and O bynames</span>=== 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">In Gaelic and Anglicized Irish, one question that often arises is when bynames constructed using </span>''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> can be used to create bynames using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">O</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> and vice versa (recalling that in Gaelic, </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> and </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">O</span>''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> are only used in men's bynames). The reason one cannot simply treat the two as interchangeable is that each type of byname has different limitations.</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Bynames using </span>''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> "son of" were formed throughout our period. They were formed from given names and from a few types of bynames, most notably occupational bynames. Bynames using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">O</span>''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> "male descendant (usually grandson)" were formed from the 7th to the 11th century; then they became frozen as inherited family names. These names were formed from a variety of kinds of bynames as well as given names.</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">So, what does this mean in terms of construction and documentation? Most of our documentation for bynames is from the 16th century. If you have a byname documented using </span>''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> and want to use it to justify a byname using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">O</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">, you need to find evidence that the name was in use by the 11th century. Otherwise, the name came into use too late in period to justify its use in a byname using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">O</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">. If you have a byname using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">O</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> and want to use it to justify a byname using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">, you need to know what kind of element it is. If it's a given name, you can make a byname using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> from it. Some occupational bynames can be used to create a byname using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">. Other kinds of bynames using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">O</span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">, including elements that we cannot identify as either a given name or an occupational byname, cannot be used to create a byname using </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">mac</span>''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">.</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/04/12-04cl.html]]</span>




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