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Unity of Posture aka [[Unified Posture and Orientation]]. | Unity of Posture aka [[Unified Posture and Orientation]]. | ||
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==='''SENA Appendix L: A Partial List of Postures and Orientations'''=== | ==='''SENA Appendix L: A Partial List of Postures and Orientations'''=== | ||
This is a list of postures and orientations that can be used to determine whether two charges or groups of charges conflict or whether there is a distinct change for posture/orientation. | This is a list of postures and orientations that can be used to determine whether two charges or groups of charges conflict or whether there is a distinct change for posture/orientation. | ||
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Long charges of identical types may also receive a DC for facing – the change from dexter facing to sinister facing and from upright to inverted – if they have a clearly defined point or head. There is a DC between ''a sword palewise// and //a sword palewise inverted''. Long charges may also receive a DC for facing if they have another clearly defined axis, like right and left or up and down. Thus there is a DC between a bow fesswise and a bow fesswise inverted. | Long charges of identical types may also receive a DC for facing – the change from dexter facing to sinister facing and from upright to inverted – if they have a clearly defined point or head. There is a DC between ''a sword palewise// and //a sword palewise inverted''. Long charges may also receive a DC for facing if they have another clearly defined axis, like right and left or up and down. Thus there is a DC between a bow fesswise and a bow fesswise inverted. | ||
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=Precedents:= | ===Precedents:=== | ||
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html < | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span> | ||
Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents) < | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span> | ||
'' '''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.''' '' | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span> | ||
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>'' | |||
==Definition:== | ====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Definition:]]<u>'''Definition:'''</u></span>==== | ||
= | '''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">From the November 2012 Cover Letter:</span>''' | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">From Wreath: Unified Posture and Orientation, Take 2</span> | |||
= | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Section A3D2c of the Standards for Evaluation states:</span> | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">c. Unity of Posture and Orientation: The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (_in cross, combatant,_ or _in pall points outward_, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K.</span> | |||
The examples given concern groups of identical charges, but do not directly address how to handle mixed-type charge groups. Precedent set on the May 2012 Cover Letter stated:</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">The examples given concern groups of identical charges, but do not directly address how to handle mixed-type charge groups. Precedent set on the May 2012 Cover Letter stated:</span> | ||
It seems to us best to apply the concept of "comparable postures", as described in section A5G7, which references Appendix L. In short, if the charges in a single charge group do not have comparable postures, they are not in violation of the "identical postures/orientations" part of the rule. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">It seems to us best to apply the concept of "comparable postures", as described in section A5G7, which references Appendix L. In short, if the charges in a single charge group do not have comparable postures, they are not in violation of the "identical postures/orientations" part of the rule. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement.</span> | ||
The phrase "in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually" seems to be tripping people up. To clarify, we emphasize that when charges in a group are in different categories according to SENA A5G7 and SENA Appendix L, they do not have comparable postures/orientations and may be blazoned independently. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">The phrase "in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually" seems to be tripping people up. To clarify, we emphasize that when charges in a group are in different categories according to SENA A5G7 and SENA Appendix L, they do not have comparable postures/orientations and may be blazoned independently. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement.</span> | ||
We looked at several period armorials to find out what sorts of posture/orientation combinations and arrangements we find in period armory for mixed-type charge groups. Keeping in mind that our core style is based on Anglo-Norman armory, there is an emphasis on those armorials; the full list of sources is below.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">We looked at several period armorials to find out what sorts of posture/orientation combinations and arrangements we find in period armory for mixed-type charge groups. Keeping in mind that our core style is based on Anglo-Norman armory, there is an emphasis on those armorials; the full list of sources is below.</span> | ||
In period armory, when there are two or three dissimilar charges in the same group, they typically have identical postures only in some cases. Examples:</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">In period armory, when there are two or three dissimilar charges in the same group, they typically have identical postures only in some cases. Examples:</span> | ||
* BSB Cod.icon.291 f. 17v: _Argent, a dragon vert and a lion azure crowned gules combattant_. Dragons and lions have comparable postures; these are in an identical posture.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* BSB Cod.icon.291 f. 17v: _Argent, a dragon vert and a lion azure crowned gules combattant_. Dragons and lions have comparable postures; these are in an identical posture.</span> | ||
* BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 38r: _Sable, on a bend between a dog salient and a dolphin naiant argent three roundels gules_. Dogs and dolphins do not have comparable postures; the dog here is upright while the dolphin is fesswise.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 38r: _Sable, on a bend between a dog salient and a dolphin naiant argent three roundels gules_. Dogs and dolphins do not</span> | ||
* SGS Cod.Sang.1084, p. 272: _Per fess argent and gules, two roses and a demi-fleur-de-lys inverted issuant from the line of division counterchanged_. Roses and fleur-de-lys do not have comparable orientations. | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">have comparable postures; the dog here is upright while the dolphin is fesswise.</span> | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* SGS Cod.Sang.1084, p. 272: _Per fess argent and gules, two roses and a demi-fleur-de-lys inverted issuant from the line of division counterchanged_. Roses and fleur-de-lys do not have comparable orientations.</span> | |||
Most frequently, a mixed-type group consists of both animate and inanimate charges, occasionally two different types of inanimate charges, and less commonly two different types of animate charge. The vast majority of dissimilar charges in a group are all in their typical default posture/orientation, which in most cases is essentially palewise. Judging from the few examples listed above where that is not the case, our precedent appears to be consistent with period practice. While we found no examples of mixing inanimate compact charges with inanimate long charges in different orientations, for example _in pale a fleur-de-lys and a sword bendwise_, we feel that allowing such a combination is acceptable at this point in time. | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Most frequently, a mixed-type group consists of both animate and inanimate charges, occasionally two different types of inanimate charges, and less commonly two different types of animate charge. The vast majority of dissimilar charges in a group are all in their typical default posture/orientation, which in most cases is essentially palewise. Judging from the few examples listed above where that is not the case, our precedent appears to be consistent with period practice. While we found no examples of mixing inanimate compact charges with inanimate long charges in different orientations, for example _in pale a fleur-de-lys and a sword bendwise_, we feel that allowing such a combination is acceptable at this point in time.</span> | ||
A3D2c mentions _combattant_ as "an arrangement that includes posture/orientation". What other sorts of arrangements are possible?</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">A3D2c mentions _combattant_ as "an arrangement that includes posture/orientation". What other sorts of arrangements are possible?</span> | ||
Period armory draws charges to take up the most space possible. With two charges, typically we find both charges placed side by side _in fess_, with their long axes vertical. There are therefore three posture/orientation cases possible, all of which we see in period armory: both charges facing the same direction, charges addorsed, or charges respectant/combatant. There is also the far less common case of two horizontal charges placed _in pale_: both charges facing the same direction, or charges facing in opposite directions. Examples:</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Period armory draws charges to take up the most space possible. With two charges, typically we find both charges placed side by side _in fess_, with their long axes vertical. There are therefore three posture/orientation cases possible, all of which we see in period armory: both charges facing the same direction, charges addorsed, or charges respectant/combatant. There is also the far less common case of two horizontal charges placed _in pale_: both charges facing the same direction, or charges facing in opposite directions. Examples:</span> | ||
* BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 36r: _Bendy azure and argent, a sword fesswise between two lions counterpassant passant_. It is unclear if this is a single primary group of three charges, or a primary sword between secondary lions, or primary lions surrounding a secondary sword. In any case, the upper lion is passant to sinister and the lower lion is passant to dexter.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 36r: _Bendy azure and argent, a sword fesswise between two lions counterpassant passant_. It is unclear if this is a single primary group of three charges, or a primary sword between secondary lions, or primary lions surrounding a secondary sword. In any case, the upper lion is passant to sinister and the lower lion is passant to dexter.</span> | ||
* BSB Cod.icon.307, p. 287: _Or, in pale a hunting horn and a hunting horn reversed sable_. Two horns facing in opposite directions.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* BSB Cod.icon.307, p. 287: _Or, in pale a hunting horn and a hunting horn reversed sable_. Two horns facing in opposite directions.</span> | ||
* The Visitation of Cheshire in 1580 gives the arms of Glegg of Gayton as _Sable, two lions counterpassant in pale argent collared gules_. We would likely blazon this as _in pale two lions counter-passant passant_, to clarify that the upper lion is passant to sinister and the lower lionpassant to dexter.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* The Visitation of Cheshire in 1580 gives the arms of Glegg of Gayton as _Sable, two lions counterpassant in pale argent collared gules_. We would likely blazon this as _in pale two lions counter-passant passant_, to clarify that the upper lion is passant to sinister and the lower lionpassant to dexter.</span> | ||
With three charges in a group on the field, the default arrangement is "two and one". The vast majority of these arrangements all face in the same direction, but the upper two charges may be addorsed or respectant/combatant. No examples were found where the bottommost charge did not face in the same direction as at least one of the uppermost charges. Examples:</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">With three charges in a group on the field, the default arrangement is "two and one". The vast majority of these arrangements all face in the same direction, but the upper two charges may be addorsed or respectant/combatant. No examples were found where the bottommost charge did not face in the same direction as at least one of the uppermost charges. Examples:</span> | ||
* BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 37r: _Per chevron gules and azure, two lions respectant and a fleur-de-lys Or_.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 37r: _Per chevron gules and azure, two lions respectant and a fleur-de-lys Or_.</span> | ||
* BnF fr.4985, f. 89r: _Argent, a chevron gules between three eagles azure, those in chief heads addorsed_.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* BnF fr.4985, f. 89r: _Argent, a chevron gules between three eagles azure, those in chief heads addorsed_.</span> | ||
* Siebmacher pl. 161: _Argent, three lions gules, those in chief combattant_.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* Siebmacher pl. 161: _Argent, three lions gules, those in chief combattant_.</span> | ||
* SGS Cod.Sang.1084, p. 32: _Azure, three wings argent, those in chief addorsed_.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* SGS Cod.Sang.1084, p. 32: _Azure, three wings argent, those in chief addorsed_.</span> | ||
* Beinecke MS 648, f. 17r: _Argent, three axe heads, those in chief addorsed_.</span> | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">* Beinecke MS 648, f. 17r: _Argent, three axe heads, those in chief addorsed_.</span> | ||
Other posture/orientation combinations of comparable charges will need to be >documented before they are registerable. | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Other posture/orientation combinations of comparable charges will need to be</span> | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/11/12-11cl.html | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">documented before they are registerable.</span> | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/11/12-11cl.html]]</span> | |||
'''From the May 2012 Cover Letter:''' | |||
From Wreath: Unified Posture and Arrangement | |||
Section A3D2c of the Standards for Evaluation, Unity of Posture and Orientation, states: | Section A3D2c of the Standards for Evaluation, Unity of Posture and Orientation, states: | ||
> The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross, combatant, or in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K. | > The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross, combatant, or in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K. | ||
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It seems to us best to apply the concept of "comparable postures", as described in section A5G7, which references Appendix L. In short, if the charges in a single charge group do not have comparable postures, they are not in violation of the "identical postures/orientations" part of the rule. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement. | It seems to us best to apply the concept of "comparable postures", as described in section A5G7, which references Appendix L. In short, if the charges in a single charge group do not have comparable postures, they are not in violation of the "identical postures/orientations" part of the rule. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement. | ||
For example, ''two lions and an eagle// is in a standard two-and-one arrangement for a group of three charges, and is a mixed-type charge group consisting of quadrupeds and birds. Quadrupeds and birds do not have comparable postures, so this is allowable under A3D2c. For example, //two lions and a bear sejant// is a mixed-type charge group consisting of quadrupeds; as quadrupeds do have comparable postures and the lions and bear are not in identical postures, this is not allowable under A3D2c. For example, //two swords in saltire and a lion'' is a mixed-type charge group consisting of inanimate charges and animate charges, which do not have comparable postures. However, the entire group is not in a single unified arrangement, but instead has the swords and the lion arranged separately. This is not an allowable arrangement under A3D2c, without further documentation of its use in period. | For example, ''two lions and an eagle// is in a standard two-and-one arrangement for a group of three charges, and is a mixed-type charge group consisting of quadrupeds and birds. Quadrupeds and birds do not have comparable postures, so this is allowable under A3D2c. For example, //two lions and a bear sejant// is a mixed-type charge group consisting of quadrupeds; as quadrupeds do have comparable postures and the lions and bear are not in identical postures, this is not allowable under A3D2c. For example, //two swords in saltire and a lion'' is a mixed-type charge group consisting of inanimate charges and animate charges, which do not have comparable postures. However, the entire group is not in a single unified arrangement, but instead has the swords and the lion arranged separately. This is not an allowable arrangement under A3D2c, without further documentation of its use in period. | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/05/12-05cl.html | [[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/05/12-05cl.html]] | ||
==Registerability:== | ====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Registerability:]]<u>'''Registerability:'''</u></span>==== | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span> | |||
'''From the May 2002 LoAR:''' | |||
"The SCA has general precedents against registering inverted animate charges unless they are part of a radially symmetrical group such as in annulo. These precedents are on the grounds that such inverted animals are generally not readily identifiable, and they are not found in period heraldry. However, the SCA also has a registration tradition of allowing animals which are usually found in a tergiant posture to be registered in the tergiant inverted posture. " | |||
"There is very little period evidence for tergiant inverted animals in heraldry." | |||
"As a result, inverting a tergiant charge is acceptable as long as it does not otherwise violate any basic heraldic principles, including the requirement for identifiability. Because of the lack of period evidence for tergiant inverted charges, the posture will be considered a clear step from period practice (also known informally as a "weirdness") for any charge that cannot be found in this posture in period." | |||
[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/05/02-05lar.html|May 2002 LoAR]] | |||
'''From the October 2000 LoAR:''' | |||
By precedent we do not register inverted animals unless they are part of an arrangement in annulo." | |||
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2000/10/00-10lar.html|October 2000 LoAR]] | |||
'''From the February 1999 LoAR:''' | |||
"We do not allow inverted animate charges in SCA heraldry except when in recognized orientation, such as in annulo."[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1999/02/lar.html|February 1999 LoAR]] | |||
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]<u>'''Conflict:'''</u></span>==== | |||
'''From the July 2003 Cover Letter:''' | |||
"Animate and inanimate objects are not generally considered to have a meaningful posture comparison. When comparing lions with swords, we do not give posture difference between these charges - even when we compare the "sort of fesswise" lion passant to a sword palewise, or the "sort of palewise" lion rampant to a sword fesswise." | |||
[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/07/03-07cl.html|July 2003 LoAR Cover Letter]] | |||
=== | ====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:]]<u>'''Identifiability:'''</u></span>==== | ||
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====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>==== | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#POSTUREAnimate|POSTURE/ORIENTATION -- Animate Charges]]</span><span style="line-height: 1.5;">,</span> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#POSTUREGen|POSTURE/ORIENTATION -- General]]</span><span style="line-height: 1.5;">,</span> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#POSTUREInanimate|POSTURE/ORIENTATION -- Inanimate Charges]]</span> | |||
== | '''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - </span>'''<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#POA|POSTURE/ORIENTATION -- Animate Charges]]</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#POI|POSTURE/ORIENTATION -- Inanimate Charges]]</span> | ||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>''' | |||
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - </span>'''[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/atoc.html#businessend|BUSINESS END]] | |||
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== | ===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--The Ordinary :]]The [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html|Ordinary ]]:</span>=== | ||
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