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=SENA Appendix L:= | ==='''<span style="font-size: 1.1em; line-height: 1.5;">SENA Appendix L:</span>'''=== | ||
'''A Partial List of Postures and Orientations''' | '''A Partial List of Postures and Orientations''' | ||
This is a list of postures and orientations that can be used to determine whether two charges or groups of charges conflict or whether there is a distinct change for posture/orientation. | This is a list of postures and orientations that can be used to determine whether two charges or groups of charges conflict or whether there is a distinct change for posture/orientation. | ||
'''Animate Charges''' | '''Animate Charges''' | ||
A. Quadrupeds: The postures listed within each group generally conflict, though a distinct change may be given for facing to dexter or to sinister. | A. Quadrupeds: The postures listed within each group generally conflict, though a distinct change may be given for facing to dexter or to sinister. | ||
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* couchant, dormant | * couchant, dormant | ||
* sejant erect affronty, sejant affronty | * sejant erect affronty, sejant affronty | ||
[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixL|http:''heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixL]] | |||
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixL | |||
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=Quick Reference - Quadrupeds and Their Postures = | ===Quick Reference - Quadrupeds and Their Postures -=== | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/quadruped-postures.html | http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/quadruped-postures.html | ||
{| class=wikitable | {| | ||
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| '''Position''' | | '''Position''' | ||
|| '''Defining Characteristics''' | || '''Defining Characteristics''' | ||
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| '''Salient''' - Leaping || Body erect and elongated, forelegs out and together, rear legs together and on the ground || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/salient.gif || | | '''Rampant''' - Rearing || Body erect, forelegs apart and out, back-rear leg off the ground. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/Rampant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2rampant.gif | ||
|- | |||
| '''Salient''' - Leaping || Body erect and elongated, forelegs out and together, rear legs together and on the ground || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/salient.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2salient.gif | |||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Courant''' - Running || Body elongated, head erect, all four legs extended. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/courant.gif || | | '''Courant''' - Running || Body elongated, head erect, all four legs extended. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/courant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2courant.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Passant''' - walking || Body horizontal, head angled or erect, three feet touching the ground with the right foreleg raised. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/passant.gif || | | '''Passant''' - walking || Body horizontal, head angled or erect, three feet touching the ground with the right foreleg raised. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/passant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2passant.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Statant''' - standing || Body horizontal, head angled or erect, all four feet touching the ground. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/statant.gif || | | '''Statant''' - standing || Body horizontal, head angled or erect, all four feet touching the ground. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/statant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2statant.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Sejant''' - sitting || Body angled, head erect, all four legs touching the ground, rear legs curved and front legs straight. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/sejant.gif || | | '''Sejant''' - sitting || Body angled, head erect, all four legs touching the ground, rear legs curved and front legs straight. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/sejant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2sejant.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Sejant Erect''' - sitting upright || Body and head erect, the rear legs as in sejant and the forelegs apart and out. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/sejenterect.gif || | | '''Sejant Erect''' - sitting upright || Body and head erect, the rear legs as in sejant and the forelegs apart and out. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/sejenterect.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2sejante.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Sejant Affronty''' - sitting facing the viewer ("in full aspect") || As Sejant, but viewed from the front, so the belly of the creature is fully visible. The 'knees' of the rear legs are splayed to give a better 'view' | | '''Sejant Affronty''' - sitting facing the viewer ("in full aspect") || As Sejant, but viewed from the front, so the belly of the creature is fully visible. The 'knees' of the rear legs are splayed to give a better 'view'. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/sejantaffronty.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2sejnta.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Sejant Erect Affronty''' - sitting upright facing the viewer || As Sejant Affronty, but with the forelegs upraised and spread wide. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/sejanterectaffronty.gif || | | '''Sejant Erect Affronty''' - sitting upright facing the viewer || As Sejant Affronty, but with the forelegs upraised and spread wide. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/sejanterectaffronty.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2sejntea.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Couchant''' - lying down || Body horizontal, head erect with legs tucked under the body. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/couchant.gif || | | '''Couchant''' - lying down || Body horizontal, head erect with legs tucked under the body. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/couchant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2couchnt.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Dormant''' - sleeping || Body horizontal, legs tucked under body and head down in a sleeping position using forelegs as a pillow. | | '''Dormant''' - sleeping || Body horizontal, legs tucked under body and head down in a sleeping position using forelegs as a pillow. || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/dormant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2dormant.gif | ||
|- | |- | ||
|} | |} | ||
Finally, the position of the head, if not looking 'forward', is blazoned explicitly. If the beast is looking at the viewer, it is considered "gardant" and if it is looking back over its shoulder, it is considered "regardant". Thus: | Finally, the position of the head, if not looking 'forward', is blazoned explicitly. If the beast is looking at the viewer, it is considered "gardant" and if it is looking back over its shoulder, it is considered "regardant". Thus: | ||
{| | {| | ||
| | | http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2sejant.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2sejantg.gif || http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/postures/2sejantr.gif | ||
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| a lion sejant || a lion sejant gardant || a lion sejant regardant | | a lion sejant || a lion sejant gardant || a lion sejant regardant | ||
|} | |} | ||
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= | ===Other:=== | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">Clymant = same as salient, used for goats per Parker.</span> | |||
== | <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"pascuant or pasquant used of animals when grazing": </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif; line-height: 1.5;">[[@http://www.burkes-peerage.co.uk/articles/heraldry_p.aspx]]</span> | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"Paissant, or Pascuant,=grazing."</span> | |||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">"Pascuant, (fr.) or Paissant: applied only to cattle grazing with the </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #222222; font-family: arial,sans-serif; line-height: 1.5;">head touching the ground. If the head is in the usual position statant would be employed." </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif; line-height: 1.5;">[[@http://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossp.htm]]</span> | |||
[See 1989 Precendent below for only example of a grazing animal found in O&A on 14 September 2013.] | |||
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==Precedents:== | |||
===Jan 2018 - quadruped affronty restricted=== | |||
==Jan 2018 - quadruped affronty restricted== | |||
From Wreath: Quadrupeds Affronty | From Wreath: Quadrupeds Affronty | ||
On the October 5, 2017, LoPaD, we asked commenters for armorial examples of quadrupeds affronty, to determine whether prior precedent about dragons "displayed" (i.e. statant erect affronty) being a step from period practice should be overturned. The intent of the request was to determine whether quadrupeds affronty were common in period armory. If so, then having a dragon affronty was a natural extension of that pattern and should not be penalized... Based on period examples, the only affronty posture for quadrupeds that is justifiable at all is sejant erect affronty, and even that has only one example that isn't dependent upon circumstances outside the crest itself. Therefore, after the August 2018 LoAR, use of the '''posture sejant erect affronty will be a step from period practice for non-lions, whether winged or not. All other affronty postures for quadrupeds will be disallowed''' after the August 2018 LoAR unless documentation is provided. ['''Thus dragons, being quadrupeds, can no longer be displayed.''' Wyverns can, being two-legged, per CL defining wyverns vs. dragons, see above.] | On the October 5, 2017, LoPaD, we asked commenters for armorial examples of quadrupeds affronty, to determine whether prior precedent about dragons "displayed" (i.e. statant erect affronty) being a step from period practice should be overturned. The intent of the request was to determine whether quadrupeds affronty were common in period armory. If so, then having a dragon affronty was a natural extension of that pattern and should not be penalized... Based on period examples, the only affronty posture for quadrupeds that is justifiable at all is sejant erect affronty, and even that has only one example that isn't dependent upon circumstances outside the crest itself. Therefore, after the August 2018 LoAR, use of the '''posture sejant erect affronty will be a step from period practice for non-lions, whether winged or not. All other affronty postures for quadrupeds will be disallowed''' after the August 2018 LoAR unless documentation is provided. ['''Thus dragons, being quadrupeds, can no longer be displayed.''' Wyverns can, being two-legged, per CL defining wyverns vs. dragons, see above.] | ||
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/01/18-01cl.html#5 | https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/01/18-01cl.html#5 | ||
'''From the September 2003 LoAR:''' | |||
"There is no difference between statant and courant, because the evidence which has so far been obtained indicates that these postures were interchangeable in period." & "Statant should thus not be given difference from courant, because it was interchangeable with courant in period - just as passant was interchangeable with courant in period." | "There is no difference between statant and courant, because the evidence which has so far been obtained indicates that these postures were interchangeable in period." & "Statant should thus not be given difference from courant, because it was interchangeable with courant in period - just as passant was interchangeable with courant in period." | ||
[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/09/03-09lar.html September 2003 LoAR] | [[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/09/03-09lar.html|September 2003 LoAR]] | ||
= | '''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">From the May 2002 LoAR:</span>''' | ||
"The SCA has general precedents against registering inverted animate charges unless they are part of a radially symmetrical group such as in annulo. These precedents are on the grounds that such inverted animals are generally not readily identifiable, and they are not found in period heraldry. However, the SCA also has a registration tradition of allowing animals which are usually found in a tergiant posture to be registered in the tergiant inverted posture. " | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">"The SCA has general precedents against registering inverted animate charges unless they are part of a radially symmetrical group such as in annulo. These precedents are on the grounds that such inverted animals are generally not readily identifiable, and they are not found in period heraldry. However, the SCA also has a registration tradition of allowing animals which are usually found in a tergiant posture to be registered in the tergiant inverted posture. "</span> | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">"There is very little period evidence for tergiant inverted animals in heraldry."</span> | |||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">"As a result, inverting a tergiant charge is acceptable as long as it does not otherwise violate any basic heraldic principles, including the requirement for identifiability. Because of the lack of period evidence for tergiant inverted charges, the posture will be considered a clear step from period practice (also known informally as a "weirdness") for any charge that cannot be found in this posture in period."</span> | |||
[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/05/02-05lar.html May 2002 LoAR] | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/05/02-05lar.html|May 2002 LoAR]]</span> | ||
'''From the August 2001 LoAR:''' | |||
"there should not be a CD between passant and courant" & "There is a significant amount of evidence implying that courant and passant were used interchangeably in English armory." | "there should not be a CD between passant and courant" & "There is a significant amount of evidence implying that courant and passant were used interchangeably in English armory." | ||
[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2001/08/01-08lar.html August 2001 LoAR] | [[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2001/08/01-08lar.html|August 2001 LoAR]] | ||
= | '''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">From the October 2000 LoAR:</span>''' | ||
By precedent we do not register inverted animals unless they are part of an arrangement in annulo." | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">By precedent we do not register inverted animals unless they are part of an arrangement in annulo."</span> | ||
[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2000/10/00-10lar.html October 2000 LoAR] | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2000/10/00-10lar.html|October 2000 LoAR]]</span> | ||
= | '''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">From the February 1999 LoAR:</span>''' | ||
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">"We do not allow inverted animate charges in SCA heraldry except when in recognized orientation, such as in annulo." [http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1999/02/lar.html February 1999 LoAR] | <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">"We do not allow inverted animate charges in SCA heraldry except when in recognized orientation, such as in annulo."[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1999/02/lar.html|February 1999 LoAR]]</span> | ||
'''From the March 1996 LoAR:''' | |||
The south end of a dragon going north is not a suitable subject for heraldry. You could have a dragon's tail emerging from a cave or from behind a rock ... or a dragon's tail couped and served on a platter for Twelfth Night. But not a dragon's fundament escaping over a wall. (Karina of the Far West, 17 Aug 78, p. 9) | The south end of a dragon going north is not a suitable subject for heraldry. You could have a dragon's tail emerging from a cave or from behind a rock ... or a dragon's tail couped and served on a platter for Twelfth Night. But not a dragon's fundament escaping over a wall. (Karina of the Far West, 17 Aug 78, p. 9) | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1996/03/cvr.html | |||
'''From the December 1989 LoAR''': | |||
Gizela Balbina Teucer - The following device associated with this name was registered in December of 1989 (via the Outlands): Azure, a gazelle grazing guardant atop a trimount couped, all within a chaplet of thorn Or. | Gizela Balbina Teucer - The following device associated with this name was registered in December of 1989 (via the Outlands): Azure, a gazelle grazing guardant atop a trimount couped, all within a chaplet of thorn Or. | ||
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1989/12/lar.html]] | [[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1989/12/lar.html]] | ||
'''From the November 1982 LoAR''': | |||
"Dancing is not a heraldic position." [Mary Katherine de Macey, | "Dancing is not a heraldic position." [Mary Katherine de Macey, | ||
November 1982, R-Middle] | November 1982, R-Middle] | ||
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