Unified Posture and Orientation

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Illustrations:

Period sources:

	Scheibler'sches
Insignia Venetorum nobilium II (A-IP) - BSB Cod.icon. 272 [S.l.] Italien 1550-1555, f59r, moustaches?	Scheibler'sches Wappenbuch, 1450-1580, BSB 312

SENA A.3.D.2. Simplicity of Charge Groups:

• A charge group is most frequently a group of a single type of charges of a unified tincture in a single posture/orientation. However, more complex examples are found in period armory. The rules below discuss which complex designs are allowed and which are not allowed.

• • c. Unity of Posture and Orientation: The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross//, //combatant//, or //in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K.

For example, a design such as Argent, two lions passant respectant and a lion statant erect affronty vert// would not be allowed. Likewise, a design such as //Azure, two pheons bendwise, and a pheon inverted Or// would not be allowed. However, //crescents//,//increscents//, //decrescents//, and //crescents pendant were used occasionally in the same armory, so armory which includes more than one of these is allowed.

http://scaheraldry.wikispaces.com/SENA%2C+Armory+Part+3%2C+Style

Period Examples of Un-unified Postures and Orientations:

(Courtesy of Yehuda ben Moshe mka Juliean Galak - only relevant portions of the blazons are reproduced or created)

1) The pattern of three of the same charge...

Other patterns that have already been ruled registerable (see Precedents, below) have been omitted.

• 1c) There is at least one example of a device where the bottom animal is in another posture:

• • English - Harleian MS 6163, sn Syr John Cley, one quadrant of a marshalled device: Three wolves, two in chief combatant, one in base passant

http://archive.org/stream/twotudorbooksofa00fostuoft#page/230/mode/2up

• 1d) There is at least one example of a device with 5 of the same charge, two, one, and two, where the chief pair and base pair are addorsed:

• • Holy Roman Empire - Collected Imperial Armorial, BSB Cod.icon. 307 sn ?? (spelling uncertain, second row from top, leftmost) - Five eagles displayed, two, one, and two, the two in chief and two in base heads addorsed, the middle head to sinister: http://codicon.digitale-sammlungen.de/Blatt_bsb00020245,00541.html?prozent=1

• 1e) There is at least one example of a device where three animals are arranged 1 and 2, with the top in a different posture

• • French Arms of Roman Ponitffs and Cardinals, V. 15, Arms of knights of the French Order of Saint-Michel, BSB Cod.icon. 280 sn Dominus De Lestrange - Three lions, one and two, the one in chief passant guardant, the ones in base combatant.

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00001427/image_315

Note: It is also possible to interpret this device as the two combatant lions being the primary charge group, and the lion in chief being a secondary. As all three appear to have approximately the same visual weight, I believe they are all part of the same charge group.

Precedents:

November 2012 - Unified Posture and Orientation, Take 2

Section A3D2c of the Standards for Evaluation states: c. Unity of Posture and Orientation: The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (_in cross, combatant,_ or _in pall points outward_, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K.

The examples given concern groups of identical charges, but do not directly address how to handle mixed-type charge groups. Precedent set on the May 2012 Cover Letter stated:

It seems to us best to apply the concept of "comparable postures", as described in section A5G7, which references Appendix L. In short, if the charges in a single charge group do not have comparable postures, they are not in violation of the "identical postures/orientations" part of the rule. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement.

The phrase "in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually" seems to be tripping people up. To clarify, we emphasize that when charges in a group are in different categories according to SENA A5G7 and SENA Appendix L, they do not have comparable postures/orientations and may be blazoned independently. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement.

We looked at several period armorials to find out what sorts of posture/orientation combinations and arrangements we find in period armory for mixed-type charge groups. Keeping in mind that our core style is based on Anglo-Norman armory, there is an emphasis on those armorials; the full list of sources is below.

In period armory, when there are two or three dissimilar charges in the same group, they typically have identical postures only in some cases. Examples:

• BSB Cod.icon.291 f. 17v: _Argent, a dragon vert and a lion azure crowned gules combattant_. Dragons and lions have comparable postures; these are in an identical posture.
• BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 38r: _Sable, on a bend between a dog salient and a dolphin naiant argent three roundels gules_. Dogs and dolphins do not have comparable postures; the dog here is upright while the dolphin is fesswise.
• SGS Cod.Sang.1084, p. 272: _Per fess argent and gules, two roses and a demi-fleur-de-lys inverted issuant from the line of division counterchanged_. Roses and fleur-de-lys do not have comparable orientations.

Most frequently, a mixed-type group consists of both animate and inanimate charges, occasionally two different types of inanimate charges, and less commonly two different types of animate charge. The vast majority of dissimilar charges in a group are all in their typical default posture/orientation, which in most cases is essentially palewise. Judging from the few examples listed above where that is not the case, our precedent appears to be consistent with period practice. While we found no examples of mixing inanimate compact charges with inanimate long charges in different orientations, for example _in pale a fleur-de-lys and a sword bendwise_, we feel that allowing such a combination is acceptable at this point in time.

A3D2c mentions _combattant_ as "an arrangement that includes posture/orientation". What other sorts of arrangements are possible?

Period armory draws charges to take up the most space possible. With two charges, typically we find both charges placed side by side _in fess_, with their long axes vertical. There are therefore three posture/orientation cases possible, all of which we see in period armory: both charges facing the same direction, charges addorsed, or charges respectant/combatant. There is also the far less common case of two horizontal charges placed _in pale_: both charges facing the same direction, or charges facing in opposite directions. Examples:

• BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 36r: _Bendy azure and argent, a sword fesswise between two lions counterpassant passant_. It is unclear if this is a single primary group of three charges, or a primary sword between secondary lions, or primary lions surrounding a secondary sword. In any case, the upper lion is passant to sinister and the lower lion is passant to dexter.
• BSB Cod.icon.307, p. 287: _Or, in pale a hunting horn and a hunting horn reversed sable_. Two horns facing in opposite directions.
• The Visitation of Cheshire in 1580 gives the arms of Glegg of Gayton as _Sable, two lions counterpassant in pale argent collared gules_. We would likely blazon this as _in pale two lions counter-passant passant_, to clarify that the upper lion is passant to sinister and the lower lion passant to dexter.

With three charges in a group on the field, the default arrangement is "two and one". The vast majority of these arrangements all face in the same direction, but the upper two charges may be addorsed or respectant/combatant. No examples were found where the bottommost charge did not face in the same direction as at least one of the uppermost charges. Examples:

• BSB Cod.icon.291, f. 37r: _Per chevron gules and azure, two lions respectant and a fleur-de-lys Or_.
• BnF fr.4985, f. 89r: _Argent, a chevron gules between three eagles azure, those in chief heads addorsed_.
• Siebmacher pl. 161: _Argent, three lions gules, those in chief combattant_.
• SGS Cod.Sang.1084, p. 32: _Azure, three wings argent, those in chief addorsed_.
• Beinecke MS 648, f. 17r: _Argent, three axe heads, those in chief addorsed_.

Other posture/orientation combinations of comparable charges will need to be documented before they are registerable. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/11/12-11cl.html

May 2012 Cover Letter - Unified Posture and Arrangement

Section A3D2c of the Standards for Evaluation, Unity of Posture and Orientation, states:

• The charges within a charge group should be in either identical postures/orientations or an arrangement that includes posture/orientation (in cross, combatant, or in pall points outward, for example). A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures. Arrangements of charges which cannot be blazoned will not be allowed. Some standard arrangements for period charge groups are discussed in Appendix K.

All of the examples given are of groups with the same charge type. But what about groups of mixed charge types?

It seems to us best to apply the concept of "comparable postures", as described in section A5G7, which references Appendix L. In short, if the charges in a single charge group do not have comparable postures, they are not in violation of the "identical postures/orientations" part of the rule. The charge group as a whole must still be in a standard arrangement. For example, two lions and an eagle// is in a standard two-and-one arrangement for a group of three charges, and is a mixed-type charge group consisting of quadrupeds and birds. Quadrupeds and birds do not have comparable postures, so this is allowable under A3D2c. For example, //two lions and a bear sejant// is a mixed-type charge group consisting of quadrupeds; as quadrupeds do have comparable postures and the lions and bear are not in identical postures, this is not allowable under A3D2c. For example, //two swords in saltire and a lion is a mixed-type charge group consisting of inanimate charges and animate charges, which do not have comparable postures. However, the entire group is not in a single unified arrangement, but instead has the swords and the lion arranged separately. This is not an allowable arrangement under A3D2c, without further documentation of its use in period.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/05/12-05cl.html