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===From Pelican: No More SCA-Compatibility===
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On the May 2008 Cover Letter, we ruled:
> Therefore, as of the May 2009 decisions meetings, we declare that no new name elements or name patterns will be ruled SCA-compatible, that all names previously ruled SCA-compatible are no longer SCA-compatible and that in order for them to be registered, documentation meeting the same standards as for non-SCA-compatible names will be required.
This ruling went into effect with this, the May 2009 Pelican meeting.
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05cl.html]]
 
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==Registerability:==  
==Registerability:==  
===<month> <year>: summary===
=== From Pelican: No More SCA-Compatibility ===
On the May 2008 Cover Letter, we ruled:
* Therefore, as of the May 2009 decisions meetings, we declare that no new name elements or name patterns will be ruled SCA-compatible, that all names previously ruled SCA-compatible are no longer SCA-compatible and that in order for them to be registered, documentation meeting the same standards as for non-SCA-compatible names will be required.This ruling went into effect with this, the May 2009 Pelican meeting.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05cl.html
 
=== Compiled Name Precedents: Silver SCA-compatible in Order Names===
{| class="wikitable"
|Shauna of Carrick Point
|2004.05
|Using a placename in an Order name was declared a step from period practice in 11/96. However, Argent Snail argues, "If you look at the list of order names, there are ones that have place names in them, usually because there is more than one order with the same name -eg the Order of Saint Jaelle of Jersusalem and the Order of Saint Jaelle of London." Meradudd Cethin's "Project Ordensnamen", describes Order names of the form [name+place] as the third most common pattern in the data set. Given such evidence, Order names containing place names are consistent with period practice. However, the Order name ''Order of the Silver Saddle of Trimaris'' is one step from period practice. By precedent, use of the descriptive term ''Silver'' in an Order name is one step from period practice. ['''Trimaris, Kingdom of,''' [http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2004/05/04-05lar.html 05/04], A-Trimaris]
|-
|François la Flamme
|2004.03
|[Order name ''Order of the Silver Sea Urchin''] While we have no documentation that ''Silver'' would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period, it has been ruled SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in a position where ''Golden'' would be appropriate (see the ruling for ''Award of the Silver Osprey'' registered by Atlantia in the May 2003 LoAR). [Stromgard, Barony of, 03/2004, A-Æthelmearc]
|-
|François la Flamme
|2003.10
|[Order name Order of the Silver Sycamore] While we have no documentation that ''Silver'' would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period, it has been ruled SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in a position where ''Golden'' would be appropriate (see the ruling for ''Award of the Silver Osprey'' registered by the Kingdom of Atlantia in the May 2003 LoAR). [Æthelmearc, Kingdom of, 10/2003, A-Æthelmearc]
|-
|François la Flamme
|2003.06
|[Order name ''The Order of the Silver Alce''] While we have no documentation that ''Silver'' would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period, it has been ruled SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in a position where ''Golden'' would be appropriate (see the ruling for ''Award of the Silver Osprey'' registered by Atlantia in the May 2003 LoAR). [Æthelmearc, Kingdom of, 06/2003 LoAR, A-Æthelmearc]
|-
|François la Flamme
|2003.05
|[Order name ''Award of the Silver Osprey''] No documentation was presented and none was found that ''Silver'' would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period. Meradudd Cethin's article "Project Ordensnamen OR What do you mean that the Anceint[sic] and Venerable Order of the Most Holy and Righteous Wombat's Toenail isn't period?" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/) lists a number of order names that use a color as an adjective. However, ''Gold/Golden'' is the only metal listed as an adjective. Therefore, while these examples support the construction ''[color] [charge]'', including ''Golden'' as a color, they do not support the construction ''[any general metal] [charge]''.
At this time, there are 43 order and award names registered that include ''Silver'' as an adjective. At least one order or award name including ''Silver''as an adjective has been registered every year from 1981 to 2002 (inclusive) except for four years. Given this level of popularity, ''Silver'' is SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in any position where ''Golden'' is appropriate. [Atlantia, Kingdom of, 05/2003 LoAR, A-Outlands]
|}
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Compatible.html


==Conflict:==
==Conflict:==
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* The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - in Compiled Names Precedents above
* The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - in Compiled Names Precedents above
* The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - in Compiled Names Precedents above
* The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - in Compiled Names Precedents above
[[Category:Names]]

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Period Forms:[edit | edit source]

  • Name - Summarize documentation as you would on a submission form - period spelling, type of name (eg. English feminine give name), date, source.


Other Potential Sources:[edit | edit source]




Precedents:[edit | edit source]

  • Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[1]]
  • Morsulus Heralds Website - [[2]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
  • Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Registerability:[edit | edit source]

From Pelican: No More SCA-Compatibility[edit | edit source]

On the May 2008 Cover Letter, we ruled:

  • Therefore, as of the May 2009 decisions meetings, we declare that no new name elements or name patterns will be ruled SCA-compatible, that all names previously ruled SCA-compatible are no longer SCA-compatible and that in order for them to be registered, documentation meeting the same standards as for non-SCA-compatible names will be required.This ruling went into effect with this, the May 2009 Pelican meeting.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05cl.html

Compiled Name Precedents: Silver SCA-compatible in Order Names[edit | edit source]

Shauna of Carrick Point 2004.05 Using a placename in an Order name was declared a step from period practice in 11/96. However, Argent Snail argues, "If you look at the list of order names, there are ones that have place names in them, usually because there is more than one order with the same name -eg the Order of Saint Jaelle of Jersusalem and the Order of Saint Jaelle of London." Meradudd Cethin's "Project Ordensnamen", describes Order names of the form [name+place] as the third most common pattern in the data set. Given such evidence, Order names containing place names are consistent with period practice. However, the Order name Order of the Silver Saddle of Trimaris is one step from period practice. By precedent, use of the descriptive term Silver in an Order name is one step from period practice. [Trimaris, Kingdom of, 05/04, A-Trimaris]
François la Flamme 2004.03 [Order name Order of the Silver Sea Urchin] While we have no documentation that Silver would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period, it has been ruled SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in a position where Golden would be appropriate (see the ruling for Award of the Silver Osprey registered by Atlantia in the May 2003 LoAR). [Stromgard, Barony of, 03/2004, A-Æthelmearc]
François la Flamme 2003.10 [Order name Order of the Silver Sycamore] While we have no documentation that Silver would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period, it has been ruled SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in a position where Golden would be appropriate (see the ruling for Award of the Silver Osprey registered by the Kingdom of Atlantia in the May 2003 LoAR). [Æthelmearc, Kingdom of, 10/2003, A-Æthelmearc]
François la Flamme 2003.06 [Order name The Order of the Silver Alce] While we have no documentation that Silver would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period, it has been ruled SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in a position where Golden would be appropriate (see the ruling for Award of the Silver Osprey registered by Atlantia in the May 2003 LoAR). [Æthelmearc, Kingdom of, 06/2003 LoAR, A-Æthelmearc]
François la Flamme 2003.05 [Order name Award of the Silver Osprey] No documentation was presented and none was found that Silver would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period. Meradudd Cethin's article "Project Ordensnamen OR What do you mean that the Anceint[sic] and Venerable Order of the Most Holy and Righteous Wombat's Toenail isn't period?" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/) lists a number of order names that use a color as an adjective. However, Gold/Golden is the only metal listed as an adjective. Therefore, while these examples support the construction [color] [charge], including Golden as a color, they do not support the construction [any general metal] [charge].

At this time, there are 43 order and award names registered that include Silver as an adjective. At least one order or award name including Silveras an adjective has been registered every year from 1981 to 2002 (inclusive) except for four years. Given this level of popularity, Silver is SCA-compatible for use in order and award names in any position where Golden is appropriate. [Atlantia, Kingdom of, 05/2003 LoAR, A-Outlands]

http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Compatible.html

Conflict:[edit | edit source]

<month> <year>: summary[edit | edit source]

Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]