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An Ordinary of Siebmacher's ''Wappenbuch -// http:''www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/heraldry/siebmacher/f-siebmacher.html
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* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=BEAST9DEMI|Beast - Demi]]
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Oxford Guide to Heraldry, plate 9: the 1547 grant of arms to George Toke of Worcester, ibex head as crest. FB image courtesy of Bruce Draconarius. Oxford Guide to Heraldry, banners of Knights of Garter, mid-16th cent., arms of Audley, ibex as supporter. FB image courtesy of Bruce Draconarius.


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From Wreath - On Ibexes (January 2006 Cover Letter - [[3]]) [[File:https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11006455_10204404828455173_4185134404609870728_n.jpg?oh=bb1143499a020b2203c8de2129531085&oe=5583F5C2&gda=1434853844_cc314e7e316d914217679dd8c98435f6|244x496px|right|Oxford]] One of this month's submissions (Eleanor Chantrill) raised a question on the difference between an ibex and a reindeer. John Vinycomb, Fictitious & Symbolic Creatures in Art, with Special Reference to Their Use in British Heraldry, p. 215 defines the heraldic ibex as "an imaginary beast resembling the heraldic antelope in appearance, with the exception of the horns projecting from his forehead, which are serrated like a saw. Perhaps it would not be erroneous to consider it identical with the heraldic antelope." Vinycomb goes on and states the natural ibex "resembles a goat, but the horns are much larger, bent backwards, and full of knots, one of which is added every year." Other authors have similar definitions for both the heraldic antelope and heraldic ibex.

Mountain goats are frequent in European armory, blazoned in French as bouquetin// and in German as //Steinbock//; these translate to "ibex", but they're pretty obviously natural ibexes. A heraldic ibex head is found in 1547, as the crest of Toke (Woodcock & Robinson, //Oxford Guide to Heraldry//, plate 9). It has forward-sweeping horns, is most definitely an ibex (or //ebeck as it is blazoned) and looks nothing like a natural ibex.

Based on the definitions, and emblazons, of heraldic antelopes, natural antelopes, heraldic ibexes, and natural ibexes, the following is list of what is worth a CD and what isn't.

  • There is no difference between a heraldic antelope and a heraldic ibex.
  • There is no difference between a natural ibex and a goat.
  • There is a CD between a heraldic ibex and a natural antelope, stag, or deer.
  • There is a CD between a goat and a heraldic antelope or heraldic ibex.
  • There is a CD between a goat and a natural antelope, stag or deer.
  • There is a CD between a heraldic ibex and a reindeer.
  • There is a CD between a heraldic ibex and a natural ibex.

In order to ensure that the correct difference is granted between natural deer and natural ibexes (as opposed to heraldic antelopes and heraldic ibexes), we have to explicitly say natural. An examination of the registered ibexes showed that they were all natural ibexes, rather than the expected heraldic ibexes. Prior registrations of ibexes have been reblazoned as natural ibexes elsewhere in this letter.


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Classified with Deer in the Ordinary.