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Illustrations[edit | edit source]

Period:[edit | edit source]

Bier with corpse, tomb lid:[edit | edit source]

Siebmacher, https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10858489_10204525994404246_6166526322309986150_n.jpg?oh=f17dba69ae33112c38ff50f5a7931d59&oe=55DF0F4D
Siebmacher, plate 156, Leichnam, corpse on a bier/coffin/catafalque with a shovel in the crest BSB 27?, 1550-55, Italian canting arms, Sagra (Sacrati), tomb lid. FB image courtesy of Bruce Draconarius.

Modern:[edit | edit source]

Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition:[edit | edit source]

Vector Graphics:[edit | edit source]


Brickbat's Armorial Stash [edit | edit source]

Pennsic Traceable Art Project:[edit | edit source]


Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[3]] Morsulus Heralds Website - [[4]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents) Restatement Wiki - [[5]] (restatements of Precedents) Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:[edit | edit source]

Registerability:[edit | edit source]

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

December 2010 - six-sided coffin:[edit | edit source]

Katerina Evaline Lee. Device (see PENDS for name). Argent, on a six-sided coffin vert a mullet argent. This device is returned because the primary charge is a post-period form of a coffin, which has not been registerable since 2002: > No evidence was presented, and none could be found, that the shape in this submission was a period coffin shape. Some documentation for coffins was found, consisting of pictures of coffins in illuminated manuscripts showing funeral services, pictures of existing funeral palls in embroidery references (used for draping over a coffin), and a description of one existing child's coffin c. 1400. These references all showed coffins with four-sided tops. The tops were mostly rectangular, but some coffins had trapezoidal tops, so that the "head" was wider than the "foot". Without documentation for the shape of coffin in this submission, it may not be registered. [Constance MacLeod, February 2002, R-Ansteorra] http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/12/10-12lar.html

February 2002 - six-sided coffin:[edit | edit source]

Constance MacLeod. Device. Per pale vert and sable, on a pale between two coffins argent a coffin sable. > Coffins have only been registered twice in the SCA, the last time in 1985. The coffins in this submission, as in the previous submissions, are six-sided shapes following the outline of the top of a hexagonal coffin palewise. Thus, the basemost side ("foot") is narrower than the chiefmost side ("head") and the wide point separating the other four sides is at shoulder height. A number of commenters asked whether this was a period coffin shape and whether coffins were found in period heraldry. > No evidence was presented, and none could be found, for coffins as charges in period heraldry. Given the wide diversity of constructed items found in period heraldry, a coffin should be an acceptable charge as long as it is drawn so that it would be recognizable to a period viewer as a coffin. > No evidence was presented, and none could be found, that the shape in this submission was a period coffin shape. Some documentation for coffins was found, consisting of pictures of coffins in illuminated manuscripts showing funeral services, pictures of existing funeral palls in embroidery references (used for draping over a coffin), and a description of one existing child's coffin c. 1400. These references all showed coffins with four-sided tops. The tops were mostly rectangular, but some coffins had trapezoidal tops, so that the "head" was wider than the "foot". Without documentation for the shape of coffin in this submission, it may not be registered. > The coffins in illustrations of funeral services were all shown from the side (during the service, or carried by pallbearers). The top-only view of the previous coffin registrations therefore seems somewhat unlikely. Future attempts to register coffins should not only address the shape of a period coffin, but should address how a period coffin would be drawn so that a period viewer would recognize it as a coffin (rather than another sort of box or chest). http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html

Conflict:[edit | edit source]

Identifiability:[edit | edit source]

May 2010 - coffin flat vs. trian:[edit | edit source]

Richenda Elizabeth Coffin. Badge. (Fieldless) A coffin gules. This device is returned for lack of identifiability. The primary charge in this device is a trapezoid, slightly narrower at the bottom than the top, with thin-line detailing in a flowery cross-shaped design. The submitter attached period artwork of coffins, on which this submission is based, showing trapezoidally shaped coffins in trian aspect, in some of the cases with very similar cross-shaped detailing. Unfortunately, while we concur that a trapezoid is a period form for a coffin, a flat heraldic depiction, even with detailing, seems to be unidentifiable specifically as a coffin, rather than a mis-drawn billet. This is a similar situation to dice and cheese, both of which require trian aspect in order to be identifiable. Batonvert has found a coffin used as an heraldic charge, in the arms of von Leighnam, from Siebmacher's Wappenbuch von 1605. It shows a coffin horizontally, in trian aspect, on a bier, with pallbearer poles, and topped with a shrouded corpse. If the submitter truly wishes a coffin on her armory, we would welcome a submission based on that period depiction. [see above] http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/05/10-05lar.html


Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - [Armory Precedents] The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - Collected Armory Precedents The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - [Armory Precedents] The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [Armory Precedents] The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - [Armory Precedents] The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - [HTML Document] The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) - the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994) and the 2nd part (July 1994 - June 1996) The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [precedents] The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991) and the 2nd year (July 1991 - June 1992) The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [Precedents] The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - [HTML Document] The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - [Precedents] The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - [Precedents] The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [Precedents]


In the Ordinary:[edit | edit source]