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* Conwy castle - there exists a petition mentioning Conwy castle, by this spelling, dated to 1378-1390
*"Bynames Based On Location - The typical nickname based on location simply uses the proper name of a place after the given name. In this document, Latin de is sometimes placed before the place-name." from A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn - https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html
* Edward I built Conwy Castle c. 1280. Before that, there was a monastery at that place, which
** Conwy castle - there exists a petition mentioning Conwy castle, by this spelling, dated to 1378-1390
historians call Aberconwy (established in the late 1100s). This was all on the bank of the Conwy River.
** Edward I built Conwy Castle c. 1280. Before that, there was a monastery at that place, called Aberconwy (established in the late 1100s). This was all on the bank of the Conwy River.
 
* Need a date earlier than 1269 to go with Saerlaith, unless find a later date than 969 for Saerlaith.
* Need a date earlier than 1269 to go with Saerlaith, unless find a later date than 969 for Saerlaith.
 
** <de Aberconwy> 1227, found in ''Bynames in the charters of the Abbey of Ystrad Marchell, 1176-1283'', https://s-gabriel.org/names/constanza/ystradmarchell-bynames.html
 
** ''Llandudno: its history and natural history'', 1861, Richard Parry - discusses the origin of the name of the Conway River, originally Cynwy or Abercynwy, Latinized to Conway, no dates apart from date of castle 1284 - https://books.google.com/books?id=i7kHAAAAQAAJ&q=cynwy#v=snippet&q=cynwy&f=false
** ''Llandudno: its history and natural history'', 1861, Richard Parry - discusses the origin of the name of the Conway River, originally Cynwy or Abercynwy, Latinized to Conway, no dates apart from date of castle 1284 - https://books.google.com/books?id=i7kHAAAAQAAJ&q=cynwy#v=snippet&q=cynwy&f=false


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* MI Gaelic and Welsh are a compatible lingual mix per SENA Appendix C
* MI Gaelic and Welsh are a compatible lingual mix per SENA Appendix C
* MI Gaelic and Welsh are not in the same language family, so elements need to be within 300 years of each other, ''ibid''
* MI Gaelic and Welsh are not in the same language family, so elements need to be within 300 years of each other, ''ibid''
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Latest revision as of 19:24, 3 April 2019

Sáerlaith Conwy[edit | edit source]

  • Middle Irish Gaelic given name Sáerlaith and the Welsh locative byname Conwy.

Sáerlaith[edit | edit source]


Conwy[edit | edit source]

  • "Bynames Based On Location - The typical nickname based on location simply uses the proper name of a place after the given name. In this document, Latin de is sometimes placed before the place-name." from A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn - https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html
    • Conwy castle - there exists a petition mentioning Conwy castle, by this spelling, dated to 1378-1390
    • Edward I built Conwy Castle c. 1280. Before that, there was a monastery at that place, called Aberconwy (established in the late 1100s). This was all on the bank of the Conwy River.



    • KING JOHN AND THE CISTERCIANS IN WALES PhD Thesis - https://orca.cf.ac.uk/43581/1/2013jenkinsjhphd.pdf
    • King John’s 1202 charter to Aberconwy abbey ‘is unique in English royal charters for Welsh foundations’, before then seemingly suggesting it was issued as a matter of routine, without explaining how a ‘unique’ charter could be routinely issued.74 Even Rhys Hays in his History of Aberconway Abbey says that it was surprising this 1202 charter was issued before again suggesting, ‘likely it was a matter of routine’.75
      • Unfortunately, the spelling in the 1202 Charter is Aberconwey - "(I)ohannes Dei gratia rex Anglie dominus Hibernie dux Normanie et comes Andegauie iusticiariis, vicecomitibus et omnibus balliuis suis Anglie et Wallie et totius terre sue et portuum maris salutem. Sciatis quod suscepimus in manum et protectionem nostram abbaciam de Aberconwey..."
    • http://magnacarta.cmp.uea.ac.uk/read/newly_discovered_charters/Notification_of_the_King_s_grant_of_protection_to_Aberconway_Abbey


    • "Unnamed abbot: in 1216 an unnamed abbot of Aberconwy was excused from attending the annual General Chapter at Cîteaux given his infirmity." - Monastic Wales website, http://www.monasticwales.org/person/164
    • Haven't found the primary source to check the spelling


Combination[edit | edit source]

  • MI Gaelic and Welsh are a compatible lingual mix per SENA Appendix C
  • MI Gaelic and Welsh are not in the same language family, so elements need to be within 300 years of each other, ibid