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* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=ESTOILE%3a1 Estoile - 1]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=ESTOILE%3a2%20or%20more Estoile - 2 or more]
* Estoile - Charged - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#mulletcharged Mullet - Charged]
* Estoilly - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/E.html#estoile Estoile]


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[[Category:Armory]]
''<span style="background-color: #eef3f6; color: #222222; font-family: monospace;">Revised {$revisiondate}.</span>''
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<span style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 1.5;">A heraldic term for a star. In the SCA, it is a star with wavy rays, unlike an mullet which has straight rays.</span>
 
===Illustrations:===
[Illustration from period source]
 
'''Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):'''
<span style="display: block; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">
* <span style="font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">''<span style="background-color: #edf6fe; color: #123b66; font-family: inherit; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">[[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/estoile/|Estoile]]</span>''</span>
* ''<span style="background-color: #edf6fe; color: #123b66; font-family: inherit; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">[[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/star/|Star]]</span>''
</span>
Illustration/s from Brickbat's Armorial Stash - [[http://atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com/HeraldicArtBits.shtml]]:
 
Pennsic Traceable Art Project:
 
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===Heraldic Primer/other recognized sources:===
 
'''"'''Data Analysis of of Emblazons Containing Mullets, Estoiles, Spur-Rowels, and Suns" -- by Gunnvǫr silfrahárr
[[http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Suns-and-Stars.htm]]
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===Precedents:===
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>''
 
 
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><u>'''Definition:'''</u></span>====
 
 
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Registerability:]]<u>'''Registerability:'''</u></span>====
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span>
 
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]</span>====
===='''September 1989 LoAR - Chaos Star:[[File:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Chaos_star.svg/130px-Chaos_star.svg.png|right|Chaos]]'''====
Skuli the Spider<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">. Device. Argent, on a pale between two spider webs throughout sable, three escarbuncles ending in arrowheads, argent. There was a very strong feeling among commentors from both coasts and points in between that the use of the sign of Chaos from the Moorcock universe in Society armoury was quite inappropriate, not only because of its meaning but also because of its modern associations and design. As they are so prominent an element of the design and would be counted as "different" at least in the minor degree under the current rules from a normal escarbuncle, we could not simply reblazon these as escarbuncles as suggested by Crescent. </span>
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]</span>====
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]</span>====
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1989/09/lar.html
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]</span>====
 
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]</span>====
 
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]<u>'''Conflict:'''</u></span>====
 
 
===='''April 2012 CL - mullets vs estoiles''':====
From Wreath: Mullets and Estoiles, Take Two
Commenters were asked to discuss whether or not we should continue giving difference for the number of points on a mullet or estoile, and how they should be considered versus suns.
Research into period depictions of all three charges was enlightening. While most estoiles are of six wavy rays, some were found with more; none were found with less. Mullets were found with any number of points, most typically between five and eight. Suns were typically found with both wavy and straight rays, but examples were found of suns with only straight rays and of suns with only wavy rays; suns never had less than eight rays. In all cases, various depictions of the same arms in period showed that the number of points or rays largely did not matter.
Past precedent has granted difference between some numbers of points on mullets. Based on the research commenters provided, it seems that this precedent is rather contrary to period armorial style, and in the interest of moving SCA armory closer to period style we are hereby overturning that precedent and making the following rulings:
* we will continue to grant difference between mullets, with all straight rays, and estoiles, with all wavy rays
* suns with fewer than eight projections (points or rays or a combination) will not be registered
* there is no difference granted between mullets of any number of points
* there is no difference granted between estoiles of any number of points
* an estoile or mullet of seven or fewer points will be granted difference from a sun
* a mullet of eight or more points is equivalent to a sun and will not be granted difference from a sun
* an estoile of eight or more rays is equivalent to a sun and will not be granted difference from a sun
As this does overturn current precedent, these rulings will take effect as of the November 2012 Laurel meeting.
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/04/12-04cl.html]]
 
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Definition:]] </span>====
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:]]<u>'''Identifiability:'''</u></span>====
 
 
====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Collected Precedents:]]'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>====
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/goodbye.cgi?url=http:''www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html|Single HTML Document]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html|the 1st part]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> (Nov 1993 - June 1994) and </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/daudIITOC.html|the 2nd part]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> (July 1994 - June 1996)</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/|Collected precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html|the 1st year]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> (June 1990 - June 1991) and </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html|the 2nd year]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> (July 1991 - June 1992)</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMETOP.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html|Single HTML Document]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -</span>''' <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
 
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<u>'''In the [[scaheraldry/Ordinary|Ordinary]]'''</u> (as of 4/2012): (see also escarbuncle)
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=ESTOILE%3a1|Estoile - 1]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=ESTOILE%3a2%20or%20more|Estoile - 2 or more]]
* Estoile - Charged - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#mulletcharged|Mullet - Charged]]
* Estoilly - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/E.html#estoile|Estoile]]
 
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