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===An Ordinary of Siebmacher's ''Wappenbuch''===  
===An Ordinary of Siebmacher's ''Wappenbuch''===  

Latest revision as of 15:57, 4 July 2019

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Illustrations:[edit | edit source]

Period[edit | edit source]

Modern[edit | edit source]

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):[edit | edit source]

gurges_ancient-257x300.jpg gurges_tudor-263x300.jpg
Gurges, ancient (period) Gurges, Tudor (period)

An Ordinary of Siebmacher's Wappenbuch[edit | edit source]


Modern:[edit | edit source]

Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition:[edit | edit source]

Vector Graphics:[edit | edit source]

Book of Traceable Heraldic Art

Annotated Pennsic Traceable Art Project[edit | edit source]

Sources:[edit | edit source]




Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:[edit | edit source]

(includes defaults, proper tinctures, blazoning)

July 1993 - gurges are a single, throughout charge[edit | edit source]

It has previously been ruled (LoAR of Oct 90) that the gurges may not be couped: "Whirlpools or gurges are used as a single, throughout charge on a field." July 1993 LoAR


Registerability:[edit | edit source]

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

April 1992 - no gurges on fieldless badges[edit | edit source]

"Fieldless badges cannot use charges which issue or are defined by the edge of the field. The gurges is such a charge, and therefore may not be used on a fieldless badge." April 1992 LoAR

Conflict:[edit | edit source]

July 2005 - no difference for reversing gurges tinctures[edit | edit source]

"no difference will be granted between <tincture 1>, a gurges <tincture 2> and <tincture 2>, a gurges <tincture 1>."

===July 2005 Cover Letter: The question was raised this month about what difference is granted between a schnecke and a gurges. Current precedent, set by Da'ud Laurel, grants a CD between the two, but not substantial (X.2) difference:

  • There is clearly a CD between a schnecke and a gurges, but the consensus of the commentary and those attending the meeting [was] that RfS X.2 does not apply between them. [Peter Schneck, 5/96]

Unlike the gurges, the schnecke seems to have started its heraldic life as a field division. Walter Leonhard's "Grosse Buch der Wappenkunst," 1984, p.165, classes the schnecke with other complex field divisions such as Schraegflammenspaltung (Per pale rayonny). Some of his schnecke-like field divisions are similar to period armory found in Siebmacher's "Wappenbuch of 1605": v. the arms of Fridesheim (plate 37), von Ellershofen (plate 106) and die Megentzer (plate 119). Leonhard blazons them all as divisions of the field, e.g. dreifacher Schneckenschnitt ("three-part Snail-cut"). But the schnecke itself he blazons as a charge: //linke geschuppte Schnecke// ("left-handed scaled Snail," which we'd blazon a schnecke invected reversed). This too is in Siebmacher, plate 198, as the arms of von Rordorf. This last example not only establishes the schnecke as a charge, but also lets us distinguish between the charge and the field: the invected line marks the charge. In SCA usage, the schnecke is always considered to be a charge.

The only thing the gurges and the schnecke have in common is a spiraling form. The schnecke never has more than a single revolution to its spiral: that is, if it issues from the chief, it circles the fess point of the shield once and comes to its point from chief. The gurges has at least four revolutions (if we take the concentric annular form as a baseline).

The research presented affirms the May 1996 precedent. Given their divergent evolutions and consistently differing emblazons, there is significant difference (a CD) between a gurges and a schnecke. However, there is not substantial (X.2) difference between the two.


Identifiability:[edit | edit source]

Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]

The Ordinary:[edit | edit source]