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=Illustrations:=  
''<span style="background-color: #eef3f6; color: #222222; font-family: monospace;">Revised {$revisiondate}.</span>''
==Period sources:==  
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==Illustrations:==  
===Period sources:===  
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===Modern Sources:===  
===Modern Sources:===  
====Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):====  
====Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):====  
* [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/alphyn/|Alphyn]]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/alphyn/ Alphyn]]
* [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/griffin-keythong/|Griffin; Keythong]]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/griffin-keythong/ Griffin; Keythong]]
* [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/hippogriff/|Hippogriff]]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/hippogriff/ Hippogriff]]
* [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/opinicus/|Opinicus]]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/opinicus/ Opinicus]]


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|  || http:''mistholme.com/dictionary/griffin-keythong/ || http:''mistholme.com/dictionary/hippogriff/  
|  || http://mistholme.com/dictionary/griffin-keythong/ || http://mistholme.com/dictionary/hippogriff/  
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====Brickbat's Armorial Stash====
* <span style="line-height: 1.5;">[[http://atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com/HeraldicArtBits.shtml]]:</span>


====Vector Graphics:====  
====Vector Graphics:====  
* [http://heraldicart.org/ Book of Traceable Heraldic Art]
* Viking Answer Lady
* Viking Answer Lady
{|
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| [[File:http:''www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Gryphon_Passant.svg|360x270px|Gryphon]] || [[File:http:''www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Gryphon_Segreant.svg|304x361px|Gryphon]]
| [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Gryphon_Passant.svg || http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Gryphon_Segreant.svg  
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|* <span style="line-height: 1.5;">http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Beasts.htm</span>
| http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Beasts.htm
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===Annotated [[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]===
====[[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]:====
* [[http://www.aeheralds.net/Links/AE_Traceable_Art/IndivPDFs/Centaur_passant_blowing_a_horn.pdf|Centaur (passant, blowing a horn)]]
* [[http://www.aeheralds.net/Links/AE_Traceable_Art/IndivPDFs/Chatloup_sejant.pdf|Chatloup (sejant)]]
* [[http://www.aeheralds.net/Links/AE_Traceable_Art/IndivPDFs/Chatloup_winged_sejant.pdf|Chatloup, winged (sejant)]]
 
Monsters with separate articles:
[[Alphyn]], [[Cockatrice]], [[Dragon]], [[Firebird]], [[Panther]], [[Phoenix]], [[Pithon]], [[Unicorn]]
* [[include component="pageList" hideInternal="true" tag="monster" limit="20"]]




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=Glossary of Terms:=  
==Glossary of Terms:==  
An heraldic monster is any creature used in heraldry that does not exist outside the imagination. Monsters may either be clearly invented, such as the griffin, or a confused interpretation of a genuine animal, such as the heraldic tyger.
An heraldic monster is any creature used in heraldry that does not exist outside the imagination. Monsters may either be clearly invented, such as the griffin, or a confused interpretation of a genuine animal, such as the heraldic tyger.
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html]]
*http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html


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=Other Potential Sources:=
==Other Potential Sources:==
*Aldrovandi, Ulyssis. <u>Monstrorum Historia.</u>1570. http://hos.ou.edu/galleries/16thCentury/Aldrovandi/1570/
*"Bestiary: Heraldic Monsters and Medieval Critters" - http://www.modaruniversity.org/Monsters.htm (compiled by HE Modar Neznanich, O.P. Volk Herald)
*Dave's Mythical Creatures and Places - http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/alphabetical_index.htm


Aldrovandi, Ulyssis. <u>Monstrorum Historia.</u>1570. [[http://hos.ou.edu/galleries/16thCentury/Aldrovandi/1570/]]
* Münster, Sebastian. Cosmographia, Book V. Page 1080 discusses the monsters of India http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00generallinks/munster/india/aa_india.html


"Bestiary: Heraldic Monsters and Medieval Critters" - [[http://www.modaruniversity.org/Monsters.htm]] (compiled HE Modar Neznanich, O.P. Volk Herald)
==Vegetable Lamb:==
* Lucas, Rebecca. "The Vegetable Lamb of Muscovy." http://www.medieval-baltic.us/barometz.pdf (includes period images)


Dave's Mythical Creatures and Places - http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/alphabetical_index.htm
Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/ <br>
Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi<br>
Laurel Armory Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html<br>
[[Period Armorials]]


=SENA Armory 2.B.c:=
2. '''Constructed Elements''': Elements that follow a pattern for the formation of period charges are registerable. Some patterns that have been documented include:
*'''c. Constructed Monsters''': There is a pattern of creating monsters by combining elements from different animals and monsters used in heraldry. Thus, a new monster that follows these patterns is registerable. Items which can be constructed using this rule are registerable, even if it recreates a named heraldic monster which is demonstrated to be a wholly post-period invention in real-world heraldry.


Münster, Sebastian. Cosmographia, Book V. Page 1080 discusses the monsters of India.
For example, there is a pattern of combining the top half of quadrupeds with a fish tail to make a creature, as in a heraldic ''sea-horse''. This pattern can be used to create an unattested //sea-bear''.
[[http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00generallinks/munster/india/aa_india.html]]
* http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A2B2c


===Vegetable Lamb:===  
=Precedents:=  
* Lucas, Rebecca. "The Vegetable Lamb of Muscovy." [[http://www.medieval-baltic.us/barometz.pdf]] (includes period images)
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html <br>
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents) <br>
'' '''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'' '''


<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - [[http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/]]</span>
==Definition:==  
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Archive of St. Gabriel reports - [[http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi]]</span>
''(includes defaults, proper tinctures, blazoning)''
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Laurel Armory Articles - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[scaheraldry/Period Armorials|Period Armorials]]</span>


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===December 2020 CL - On Oriental, Part 2===
===SENA Armory 2.B.c:===  
In the November 2020 Cover Letter we announced the first in a series of reblazons to remove the term Oriental. We continue this month.
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">2. Constructed Elements</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">: Elements that follow a pattern for the formation of period charges are registerable. Some patterns that have been documented include:</span>
* The single instance of an Oriental griffin is just a griffin. There were no distinguishing characteristics to this charge.
> <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''c. Constructed Monsters''': There is a pattern of creating monsters by combining elements from different animals and monsters used in heraldry. Thus, a new monster that follows these patterns is registerable. Items which can be constructed using this rule are registerable, even if it recreates a named heraldic monster which is demonstrated to be a wholly post-period invention in real-world heraldry.</span>
> <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">For example, there is a pattern of combining the top half of quadrupeds with a fish tail to make a creature, as in a heraldic ''sea-horse//. This pattern can be used to create an unattested //sea-bear''.</span>
[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A2B2c|http:''heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A2B2c]]
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==Precedents:==
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>''


===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Definition:]]<u>'''Definition:'''</u></span>===
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2020/12/20-12cl.html


==Registerability:==
''(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)''


==Conflict:==


 
====October 2008 - dragon vs. griffin:===  
 
===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Registerability:]]<u>'''Registerability:'''</u></span>===
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span>
 
 
 
 
===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]<u>'''Conflict:'''</u></span>===
 
===='''October 2008 - dragon vs. griffin:'''====  
Wenthelen of Drakelow. Name and device. Gules, a dragon segreant between in chief a pair of drinking horns Or, a chief Or goutty de sang.
Wenthelen of Drakelow. Name and device. Gules, a dragon segreant between in chief a pair of drinking horns Or, a chief Or goutty de sang.
This is clear of William Castille, ''Gules, a griffin segreant and a chief Or''. Griffins and dragons were ruled to be substantially different on the July 2001 LoAR. The design is not suitable for purposes of RfS X.2 since there are three types of charge on the field (dragon, horn, chief). Using RfS X.4, it is clear with three CDs: one for the change of type of primary charge from griffin to dragon, one for the addition of the secondary horns, and one for the addition of the tertiary gouttes.
This is clear of William Castille, ''Gules, a griffin segreant and a chief Or''. Griffins and dragons were ruled to be substantially different on the July 2001 LoAR. The design is not suitable for purposes of RfS X.2 since there are three types of charge on the field (dragon, horn, chief). Using RfS X.4, it is clear with three CDs: one for the change of type of primary charge from griffin to dragon, one for the addition of the secondary horns, and one for the addition of the tertiary gouttes.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/10/08-10lar.html
*http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/10/08-10lar.html


===='''November 2003 - fish-tailed:'''====  
===November 2003 - fish-tailed:===  
"As a general rule, there is a CD between a quadruped (or quadrupedal monster) and a fish-tailed demi-quadruped."
"As a general rule, there is a CD between a quadruped (or quadrupedal monster) and a fish-tailed demi-quadruped."
[[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/11/03-11lar.html|November 2003 LoAR]]
[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/11/03-11lar.html November 2003 LoAR]


===='''October 2001 - griffin vs. hippogriff:'''====  
===October 2001 - griffin vs. hippogriff:===  
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[#2]]'''Alana Griffin.''' Device. Sable, a griffin segreant Or winged argent maintaining an acorn Or.</span>
'''Alana Griffin.''' Device. Sable, a griffin segreant Or winged argent maintaining an acorn Or.
[[#2]]This also conflicts with Nicolette de Coulours, ''Quarterly purpure and vert, a hippogriff segreant Or''. ...While the hippogriff, a griffin with the hindquarters of a horse (rather than a lion), was found in the Renaissance poetry of Ludovico Ariosto, we could find no evidence that it was used in period heraldry. Therefore the difference between a hippogriff and a griffin must be determined on visual grounds.
...This also conflicts with Nicolette de Coulours, ''Quarterly purpure and vert, a hippogriff segreant Or''. ...While the hippogriff, a griffin with the hindquarters of a horse (rather than a lion), was found in the Renaissance poetry of Ludovico Ariosto, we could find no evidence that it was used in period heraldry. Therefore the difference between a hippogriff and a griffin must be determined on visual grounds.
[[#2]]In a winged quadruped such as a griffin or a hippogriff, the hindquarters are roughly one-third to one-fourth the visual weight of the charge. There are more visual cues to identifiability in the forequarters than the hindquarters, since the tails of monsters are rarely drawn with the care devoted to their heads. We also note the following precedent:
*In a winged quadruped such as a griffin or a hippogriff, the hindquarters are roughly one-third to one-fourth the visual weight of the charge. There are more visual cues to identifiability in the forequarters than the hindquarters, since the tails of monsters are rarely drawn with the care devoted to their heads. We also note the following precedent:
[[#2]][A dragon vs. a unicorn-headed dragon with lion's forepaws] "The visual similarities of the dragon and [the other] monster (changes to head and forepaws only) are simply too great [for there to be a CVD]. (LoAR 1/91 p.24).
*[A dragon vs. a unicorn-headed dragon with lion's forepaws] "The visual similarities of the dragon and [the other] monster (changes to head and forepaws only) are simply too great [for there to be a CVD]. (LoAR 1/91 p.24).
[[#2]]If changing most of the forequarters of a winged quadruped, including the highly identifiable head, is insufficient for a CD, then changing the less identifiable hindquarters of a winged quadruped should also be insufficient for a CD. Thus, there is no difference for type of monster...
*If changing most of the forequarters of a winged quadruped, including the highly identifiable head, is insufficient for a CD, then changing the less identifiable hindquarters of a winged quadruped should also be insufficient for a CD. Thus, there is no difference for type of monster...
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2001/10/01-10lar.html
* http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2001/10/01-10lar.html


===='''September 1997 - tincture of wings and phoenix flames:'''====  
===September 1997 - tincture of wings and phoenix flames:===  
Just as we will give a CD for changing the tincture of the wings on a winged monster, so do we give one
Just as we will give a CD for changing the tincture of the wings on a winged monster, so do we give one
for changing the tincture of the flames of a phoenix."
for changing the tincture of the flames of a phoenix."
[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1997/09/lar.html|September 1997 LoAR]]
*[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1997/09/lar.html September 1997 LoAR]]


===='''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">January 1995 - bird-wing vs bat-wing:</span>'''====  
===January 1995 - bird-wing vs bat-wing:===  
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">"[a winged serpent vs a bat-winged tree python] The change to the type of wings is too slight to count for the necessary second. [i.e. there is not a significant difference between a bird-winged and a bat-winged creature.]</span>
[a winged serpent vs a bat-winged tree python] The change to the type of wings is too slight to count for the necessary second. [i.e. there is not a significant difference between a bird-winged and a bat-winged creature.]
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1995/01/lar.html|January 1995 LoAR]]</span>
* [http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1995/01/lar.html January 1995 LoAR]




===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:]]<u>'''Identifiability:'''</u></span>===  
==Identifiability:==  




===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>===  
===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>===  
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - </span> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#MONSTERGriffon|MONSTER -- Griffin]]</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#MONSTERWinged|MONSTER -- Winged]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - </span>'''<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#MONSTERGriffin|MONSTER -- Griffin]]</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#MONSTERWing|MONSTER -- Winged]]</span>
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>'''
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -</span>'''


==Collected Precedents:==
* 2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory2.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#MONSTERGriffon MONSTER -- Griffin], [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#MONSTERWinged MONSTER -- Winged]
* The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - [http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#MONSTERGriffin MONSTER -- Griffin], [http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#MONSTERWing MONSTER -- Winged]
* The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html Single HTML Document]
* 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994)] and
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/daudIITOC.html the 2nd part (July 1994 - June 1996)]
* The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/ Collected precedents]
* 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991)] and
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html the 2nd year (July 1991 - June 1992)]
* The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMETOP.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html Single HTML Document]
* The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html Collected Precedents]
* The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html Collected Precedents]]


==In the [[Ordinary]]==
* Monster - Alphyn - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#monstergriffin Monster - Griffin]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3aargent%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Argent] (includes hippogriff, opinicus)
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3aazure%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Azure]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3afur%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Fur]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3agules%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Gules]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3amulticolor%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Multicolor]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3aor%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Or]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3apurpure%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Purpure]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3asable%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Sable]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3avert%3a1 Monster - Griffin - 1 - Vert]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3a2%20or%20more Monster - Griffin - 2 or more]
* Monster - Hippogriff - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#monstergriffin Monster - Griffin]
* Monster - Opinicus - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#monstergriffin Monster - Griffin]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3aargent%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Argent]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3aazure%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Azure]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3afur%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Fur]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3agules%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Gules]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3amulticolor%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Multicolor]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3aor%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Or]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3apurpure%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Purpure]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3asable%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Sable]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3avert%3a1 Monster - Winged - 1 - Vert]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3a2%20or%20more Monster - Winged - 2 or more]


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[[Category:Armory]]
==<u>'''In the [[scaheraldry/Ordinary|Ordinary]]'''</u>:==
* Monster - Alphyn - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#monstergriffin|Monster - Griffin]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3aargent%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Argent]] (includes hippogriff, opinicus)
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3aazure%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Azure]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3afur%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Fur]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3agules%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Gules]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3amulticolor%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Multicolor]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3aor%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Or]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3apurpure%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Purpure]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3asable%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Sable]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3avert%3a1|Monster - Griffin - 1 - Vert]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=GRIFFIN%3a2%20or%20more|Monster - Griffin - 2 or more]]
* Monster - Hippogriff - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#monstergriffin|Monster - Griffin]]
* Monster - Opinicus - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#monstergriffin|Monster - Griffin]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3aargent%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Argent]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3aazure%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Azure]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3afur%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Fur]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3agules%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Gules]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3amulticolor%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Multicolor]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3aor%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Or]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3apurpure%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Purpure]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3asable%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Sable]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3avert%3a1|Monster - Winged - 1 - Vert]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=MONSTER9WINGED%3a2%20or%20more|Monster - Winged - 2 or more]]

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Illustrations:[edit | edit source]

Period sources:[edit | edit source]

Insignia https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10933745_985042248189857_7793358011575315282_n.jpg?oh=34f0159a71b4d8a0dcea6f8e3240bcef&oe=554C6CE9
Insignia Venetorum nobilium II (A-IP) - BSB 272 Italien 1550-1555, an alphyn? BSB 392d Suddeutchland, early 16th c. folio 261r, hippogriff, gules trimount on sable field. FB image courtesy of Gunnvor silfrahar.

Modern Sources:[edit | edit source]

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):[edit | edit source]

http://mistholme.com/dictionary/griffin-keythong/ http://mistholme.com/dictionary/hippogriff/

Vector Graphics:[edit | edit source]

[http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Gryphon_Passant.svg http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Gryphon_Segreant.svg
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Beasts.htm

Annotated Pennsic Traceable Art Project[edit | edit source]

Glossary of Terms:[edit | edit source]

An heraldic monster is any creature used in heraldry that does not exist outside the imagination. Monsters may either be clearly invented, such as the griffin, or a confused interpretation of a genuine animal, such as the heraldic tyger.

Other Potential Sources:[edit | edit source]

Vegetable Lamb:[edit | edit source]

Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/
Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi
Laurel Armory Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html
Period Armorials

SENA Armory 2.B.c:[edit | edit source]

2. Constructed Elements: Elements that follow a pattern for the formation of period charges are registerable. Some patterns that have been documented include:

  • c. Constructed Monsters: There is a pattern of creating monsters by combining elements from different animals and monsters used in heraldry. Thus, a new monster that follows these patterns is registerable. Items which can be constructed using this rule are registerable, even if it recreates a named heraldic monster which is demonstrated to be a wholly post-period invention in real-world heraldry.

For example, there is a pattern of combining the top half of quadrupeds with a fish tail to make a creature, as in a heraldic sea-horse. This pattern can be used to create an unattested //sea-bear.

Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:[edit | edit source]

(includes defaults, proper tinctures, blazoning)

December 2020 CL - On Oriental, Part 2[edit | edit source]

In the November 2020 Cover Letter we announced the first in a series of reblazons to remove the term Oriental. We continue this month.

  • The single instance of an Oriental griffin is just a griffin. There were no distinguishing characteristics to this charge.

https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2020/12/20-12cl.html

Registerability:[edit | edit source]

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

Conflict:[edit | edit source]

=October 2008 - dragon vs. griffin:[edit | edit source]

Wenthelen of Drakelow. Name and device. Gules, a dragon segreant between in chief a pair of drinking horns Or, a chief Or goutty de sang. This is clear of William Castille, Gules, a griffin segreant and a chief Or. Griffins and dragons were ruled to be substantially different on the July 2001 LoAR. The design is not suitable for purposes of RfS X.2 since there are three types of charge on the field (dragon, horn, chief). Using RfS X.4, it is clear with three CDs: one for the change of type of primary charge from griffin to dragon, one for the addition of the secondary horns, and one for the addition of the tertiary gouttes.

November 2003 - fish-tailed:[edit | edit source]

"As a general rule, there is a CD between a quadruped (or quadrupedal monster) and a fish-tailed demi-quadruped." November 2003 LoAR

October 2001 - griffin vs. hippogriff:[edit | edit source]

Alana Griffin. Device. Sable, a griffin segreant Or winged argent maintaining an acorn Or. ...This also conflicts with Nicolette de Coulours, Quarterly purpure and vert, a hippogriff segreant Or. ...While the hippogriff, a griffin with the hindquarters of a horse (rather than a lion), was found in the Renaissance poetry of Ludovico Ariosto, we could find no evidence that it was used in period heraldry. Therefore the difference between a hippogriff and a griffin must be determined on visual grounds.

  • In a winged quadruped such as a griffin or a hippogriff, the hindquarters are roughly one-third to one-fourth the visual weight of the charge. There are more visual cues to identifiability in the forequarters than the hindquarters, since the tails of monsters are rarely drawn with the care devoted to their heads. We also note the following precedent:
  • [A dragon vs. a unicorn-headed dragon with lion's forepaws] "The visual similarities of the dragon and [the other] monster (changes to head and forepaws only) are simply too great [for there to be a CVD]. (LoAR 1/91 p.24).
  • If changing most of the forequarters of a winged quadruped, including the highly identifiable head, is insufficient for a CD, then changing the less identifiable hindquarters of a winged quadruped should also be insufficient for a CD. Thus, there is no difference for type of monster...
  • http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2001/10/01-10lar.html

September 1997 - tincture of wings and phoenix flames:[edit | edit source]

Just as we will give a CD for changing the tincture of the wings on a winged monster, so do we give one for changing the tincture of the flames of a phoenix."

January 1995 - bird-wing vs bat-wing:[edit | edit source]

[a winged serpent vs a bat-winged tree python] The change to the type of wings is too slight to count for the necessary second. [i.e. there is not a significant difference between a bird-winged and a bat-winged creature.]


Identifiability:[edit | edit source]

Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]

In the Ordinary[edit | edit source]