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* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Musical instrument - Trumpet - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#musicalinstrumenthorn|Musical instrument - Horn]]</span> | * <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Musical instrument - Trumpet - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#musicalinstrumenthorn|Musical instrument - Horn]]</span> | ||
* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Musical instrument - Tuba - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#musicalinstrumenthorn|Musical instrument - Horn]]</span> | * <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Musical instrument - Tuba - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/M.html#musicalinstrumenthorn|Musical instrument - Horn]]</span> | ||
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Various meanings: musical instrument, drinking vessel, animal part.
Illustrations[edit | edit source]
Period:[edit | edit source]
Natural horns:[edit | edit source]
Scheibler'sches | Natural | Natural |
Scheibler'sches Wappenbuch, 1450-1580, BSB312 f399? | Natural Ibex Horn/Rams Horn barry ? argent and gules mouth banded Or, Ingeram Codex, f108, 1489 | Natural Ibex/Rams horns palewise vs. fesswise (based on mouth), Ingeram Codex, f126, 1459 |
Fish attired:[edit | edit source]
Siebmacher Siebmacher 1605, plate 63, Die Gutten, stag fish
Hunting horns:[edit | edit source]
Blast | | Musical |
Blast Horn, Ingeram Codex, f143, 1459 | Musical Horns, Ingeram Codex, f114, 1489 |
Modern:[edit | edit source]
Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition:[edit | edit source]
Vector Graphics:[edit | edit source]
- Viking Answer Lady -[[2]]
Brickbat's Armorial Stash[edit | edit source]
- [[3]]:
Pennsic Traceable Art Project[edit | edit source]
Glossary of Terms[edit | edit source]
Default Postures:[edit | edit source]
Horn (animal or monster) | Palewise, point to chief or point to dexter |
Horn (drinking) | Palewise, bell to chief [inner curve to sinister per April 2010 Cover Letter] |
Horn (hunting) | Bell to dexter |
Horn (straight trumpet) | Palewise, bell to chief |
Horn of plenty | Effluent to dexter |
http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#default |
Precedents:[edit | edit source]
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[4]] Morsulus Heralds Website - [[5]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents) Restatement Wiki - [[6]] (restatements of Precedents) Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.
Definition:[edit | edit source]
April 2010 - drinking horns:[edit | edit source]
From Wreath: Drinking Horns - Last month, there were a number of reblazons of pairs of drinking horns to match the newly defined default. Unfortunately, the new default was only stated in the acceptance for Óláfr Starkaðsson. We repeat and expand it here so that it is not overlooked. There has been no consistency in which part of the horn is the 'back', so 'horns addorsed' are not well defined. We have decided to define the longer, outer part of the curve as the back. The horns in Óláfr's submission are back-to-back, which makes them addorsed. Horns with the points facing towards each other are respectant; a "pair of drinking horns" is assumed to be respectant (it need not be blazoned). "Two drinking horns" will have both inner curves (fronts) pointed to sinister. All drinking horns will open to chief by default. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/04/10-04cl.html
June 1995 - proper for attires:[edit | edit source]
[returning a stag's attires proper] Brown is not the "proper" tincture for stag's attires. (Gaston Pogue, 6/95 p. 22) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud2/daud22combined.html#armg2l_Horn
May 1995 LoAR:[edit | edit source]
Oxenstierna, Axel. Or, a bull's scalp (oxenstjärna) gules. A bull's scalp is the cow equivalent to a deer's massacre; it is the horns with a bit of the scalp attached. http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud2/appendixb.html
September 1986 LoAR:[edit | edit source]
Antlers proper have been identified as "white or light yellow brown" (Wilhelm von Schlussel, 26 December, 1983). (LoAR 27 Sep 86, p. 11) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/alisoun/alisouncombined.html#ANTLERS
Registerability:[edit | edit source]
(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)
February 2013 - straight trumpets:[edit | edit source]
From Wreath: Straight Trumpets and You A submission this month caused discussion of whether or not a sheaf of straight trumpets inverted used the reserved crossed trumpets motif. The reservation, as currently stated in the Glossary of Terms, is for "two straight trumpets in saltire", reserved to "heraldic offices". Long-standing practice, however, has reserved the motif to tinctureless badges for Principal Heralds' seals, not just any heraldic office. A similar design with three straight trumpets in a sheaf has come up at least once before: > [(Fieldless) Two straight trumpets in saltire, surmounted by another palewise...] ...As for the badge, it still uses the crossed trumpets currently reserved to official heralds in the Society for a non-official organization, even if these are surmounted by a third trumpet.... [Taliesynne Nycheymwrh yr Anghyfannedd, R-Trimaris, Sep 1989 LoAR] > [appeal of badge return] ...The List of Reserved Charges is still available, in the Glossary of Terms sold by the Stock Clerk, and is still in force. The use of the crossed trumpets is still reserved to the College of Arms; the only new submissions that may use them are the seals of Principal Heralds. Nor can one argue that the current submission, by using three trumpets instead of two, is clear of the problem. The design uses a reserved motif, and additional charges don't remove the presumption; that would be like saying that the use of one crown is reserved to Royal Peers, but the use of two crowns is not.... [Taliesynne Nycheymwrh yr Anghyfannedd, R-Trimaris, Dec 1992 LoAR] Some commenters argued that this is not necessarily a valid argument, as it confuses reserved charges with a reserved motif. There is no restriction on the use of a straight trumpet, nor on two straight trumpets, only on two straight trumpets in saltire. This then leads us to consider whether the reservation should indeed cover a sheaf, as heraldic shorthand for two straight trumpets in saltire surmounted by another palewise, or if the addition of that third trumpet removes presumption. Likewise, the Glossary of Terms is silent as regards orientation. While a reserved charge, such as a crown or a pelican, is reserved in all possible orientations and numbers, two straight trumpets in saltire is not a charge, it is a motif. As far as orientation goes, Metron Ariston noted that in a letter from Ioseph of Locksley dated Jan 26, 1973, he listed the official blazon of various offices. The College of Arms was listed as Vert, two straight Trumpets in saltire, bell in chief Or. This implies, at least, that it was always the intent for the bells of the trumpets to be in chief. Furthermore, the Admin Handbook in section II.E.5 discusses tinctureless Principal Heralds' seals, and specifically states that "Such seals must contain two straight trumpets in saltire, bells to chief." We are therefore clarifying that the reserved motif is two straight trumpets in saltire, bells to chief, and that the reservation is for the seals of Principal Heralds.
We decline to rule at this time whether or not a sheaf of straight trumpets, bells to chief is presumptive of two straight trumpets in saltire, bells to chief. [[7]]
July 1993 - stag's horn or a stag's attire:[edit | edit source]
The stag's horn or stag's attire --- singular, as opposed to the full rack of antlers -- is a period charge; the arms of the Duchy of Wuerttemberg are the most famous example of its use. (Alberto Accorsi, July, 1993, pg. 7) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/horn-animal.html
March 1993 - two straight trumpets in saltire:[edit | edit source]
The use of two straight trumpets in saltire is reserved to the seals of Principal Heralds, and has been since at least 1983. It is the motif itself that's reserved; changes of tincture, addition of charges, or (as here) inversion of the trumpets, don't affect the reservation of that motif, any more than they affect the reservation of crowns to the armory of royal peers. (John Skinner of Rivenstar, March, 1993, pg. 24) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/musicalinstrument-bagpipe.html (actually under Musical Instrument - Horn)
October 1992 - unicorn horns on other animals:[edit | edit source]
Grafting unicorn's horns onto random animals is not period practice. It has been decried by previous Laurels (LoAR of 3 Aug 86, p.15), and always discouraged; I am taking the final step and, except for Grandfathered cases, disallowing it entirely. (Sorcha ni Mhurchadha, October, 1992, pg. 22) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/horn-animal.html
August 1992 - horns on inanimate objects:[edit | edit source]
Adding horns to inanimate objects doesn't appear to have been a period treatment; certainly, we would like to see some evidence of what is, at first glance, a highly improbable usage ...the reason for its improbability --- the fact that the elk-horned mask cannot be identified as such --- is ...grounds for return. (Erc Mortagh the Pict, August, 1992, pg. 24) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/horn-animal.html
October 1988 - earhorn:[edit | edit source]
The submittor's own documentation casts serious doubt on the use of the earhorn prior to the seventeenth century and shows such a variety of forms that no one single form could reasonably be deduced. (LoAR 30 Oct 88, p. 3) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/alisoun/alisouncombined.html#HORN
Conflict:[edit | edit source]
February 2012 - tincture of antlers on a heart:[edit | edit source]
Liutgard of Luxeuil. (Fieldless) A heart gules attired of a stag's antlers Or. This badge is not in conflict with the badge of Fredrich der Rothirsch, reblazoned elsewhere on this letter as (Fieldless) A heart attired of a stag's antlers gules. There is one CD for fieldlessness, and another CD for changing the tincture of the antlers, which in both cases are significant enough to count as secondary charges. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/02/12-02lar.html
May 2005 - doe v stag:[edit | edit source]
[Azure, a doe springing contourny argent.] This device conflicts with Silverhart, Shire of, Azure, a stag rampant contourny within a laurel wreath argent, and Douglass Grayhart de la Feld, Per pale purpure and vert, a hart springing contourny argent. While there is a CD for adding the laurel wreath in the first case and one for changing the field in the second, there is no difference between a doe and a stag or a hart. The addition of antlers to a beast is not a significant difference. [Alyne of Kendal, 05/05, R-An Tir] http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/05/05-05lar.html
March 1998 - tincture of rams horns:[edit | edit source]
[a ram's head cabossed sable// vs a //ram's head caboshed sable armed Or] There is ... nothing for the change in the color of the horns. (Magnus Jager, 3/98 p. 16) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/jaeprec.html#Horns
February 1998 - bear v bear antlered:[edit | edit source]
[a bear antlered// vs a //bear//] This conflicts... While there is a prior precedent granting a CD (for rabbits), in the case of //Donata Ivanovna Basistova, May, 1995); the LoAR stated that visually the antlers were similar to adding wings. This is not the case here. Furthermore, adding wings is a period practice so could be considered a valid form of cadency. It is extremely rare to see beasts with added horns like this in period armory. Therefore both historically (barring evidence to the contrary) and visually adding the attires is not worth a CD. (Sean Donald of Caithness, 2/98 p. 15) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/jaeprec.html#Horns
May 1996 - wolf's head v wolf's head attired:[edit | edit source]
[a wolf's head attired of a ram's horns vs a wolf's head] There is a CD ... for the addition of the very prominent ram's horns, which are here clearly the equivalent of gorging of a coronet which has previously been granted difference in the case of a head. "When considering a full beast or monster gorged, the gorging is usually treated as an artistic detail, worth no difference. When consider the same creature's head gorged, however, the gorging is much more prominent in proportion --- and treated as a tertiary charge." (Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, LoAR September 1993, p. 5) (Wolfram Faust, 5/96 p. 16) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud2/daud22combined.html#armg2l_Horn
February 1996 - hornless v horned goat's head:[edit | edit source]
[a hornless goat's head vs a mountain goat's head] There is a clear point for... the addition of the very prominent horns. (Tinoran's charge is a mountain goat, drawn with horns nearly as long as a gazelle's, and not a mountain sheep with the circular "Princess Leia bun" circular horns, which would not have as great a visual impact). (Lucia del Mar, 2/96 p. 14) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud2/daud22combined.html#armg2l_Horn
October 1994 - bull's horns v buglehorns:[edit | edit source]
[bull's horns vs buglehorns] There is only one CD, for the change in type of charge. [i.e. there is a significant but not a substantial difference in type] (Weland Healfdene, 10/94 p. 14) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud2/daud22combined.html#armg2l_Horn
February 1994 - reversing hunting horn v buglehorn:[edit | edit source]
[Returning Or, a hunting horn reversed gules, stringed azure, and a chief checky argent and gules.] Conflict with ... Or, a buglehorn stringed and virolled gules. There is only one CD, for the addition of the chief [implying that there is no CD for reversing the horn]. [2/94, p.20] http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud2/armory4.html
July 1991 - drinking horn v bugle horn or straight trumpet:[edit | edit source]
[A drinking horn, compared to a bugle horn or a straight trumpet] "There is a CVD for type of horn, but there is not enough difference between the two for X.2." (LoAR 7/91 p.23). http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud/daud1bd.html
July 1990 - spiral trumpet v hunting horn:[edit | edit source]
[Spiral trumpet vs. a hunting horn] "...there is a CVD for the type of horn; here, circular vs. crescent-shaped." (LoAR 7/90 p.8). http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud/daud1d.html
October 1989 - tincture of unicorn horn:[edit | edit source]
The tincture of the [unicorn’s] horn does not really contribute difference. (LoAR 22 Oct 89, p. 9) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/alisoun/AMEM.html
Identifiability:[edit | edit source]
Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]
Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - n/a The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - [TEETH] The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - [Armory Precedents] The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [Armory Precedents] The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - [Armory Precedents] The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - Antlers see Horns, Attires see Horns The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) - the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994) and [2nd part](July 1994 - June 1996) - Attire, see Horn
The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [precedents] The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991) and the 2nd year(July 1991 - June 1992) The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [[8]] The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - [HTML Document] The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - [Precedents] The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - [Precedents] The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [Precedents]
In the Ordinary:[edit | edit source]
- Horn - Bugle - see [instrument - Horn]
- Horn - Creature - (includes alicorn, attire, massacre) see also [[9]] and Bone
- Horn - Drinking - see [horn]
- Horn - Hunting - see [instrument - Horn]
- Horn - Ink - see [[10]]
- Horn - Musical - see [instrument - Horn]
- Horn - Powder - see [horn]
- Horn - Spiral - see [instrument - Horn]
- Horn of plenty - see [[11]]
- Musical instrument - Cornnetto - see [instrument - Horn]
- Musical instrument - Sackbut - see [instrument - Horn]
- Musical instrument - Serpent - see [instrument - Horn]
- Musical instrument - Shofar - see [instrument - Horn]
- Musical instrument - Trumpet - see [instrument - Horn]
- Musical instrument - Tuba - see [instrument - Horn]