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=Convential "Proper" Coloring in Glossary of Terms:= | =Convential "Proper" Coloring in Glossary of Terms:= | ||
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| | | '''Charge || '''Tincture or Blazone || '''Tincture Class (color or metal) | ||
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| | | Ship || Brown, sails must be specified || Color | ||
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http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#proper | |||
=Precedents:= | =Precedents:= | ||
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[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/07/17-07cl.html#6 From the July 2017 LOAR] | [http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/07/17-07cl.html#6 From the July 2017 LOAR] | ||
===June 1992 KWHSS LoAR - no CD for longship vs galley=== | ===June 1992 KWHSS LoAR - no CD for longship vs galley=== | ||
Erik the Runt. Device. Gules, a longship sailing to sinister and in base two swords in saltire Or.</span><span style="display: block; text-align: justify;">This conflicts with O'Donnel, cited in the LOI (Papworth 1089): Gules, a galley, her oars in action Or. There is a CD for the swords, but we have hitherto granted no difference for type of ship; and as a longship is so nearly symmetric, reversing it cannot count as a second CD. | |||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1992/06/symposiumlar.htm | http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1992/06/symposiumlar.htm | ||
==Collected Precedents:== | ==Collected Precedents:== | ||
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* Ship - Anchor - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/A.html#anchor Anchor] | * Ship - Anchor - see [http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/A.html#anchor Anchor] | ||
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=SHIP%2dPARTS Ship - Part] (includes belaying pin, oar, prow, rudder) | * [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=SHIP%2dPARTS Ship - Part] (includes belaying pin, oar, prow, rudder) | ||
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[[Category:Armory]] [[Category:Charges]] | [[Category:Armory]] [[Category:Charges]] |
Latest revision as of 20:02, 6 March 2021
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Illustrations:[edit | edit source]
Period sources:[edit | edit source]
Insignia | Oars, | Zurich | Re-draw |
Insignia ... V. Insignia urbium Italiae septentrionalis: Nobilium Mediolanensium - BSB 270, Italien, 1550-1555 | Oars, Ingeram Codex, f143, 1459 | Zurich Roll, plate 284 Oberrieden, c1340, rowboat | Re-draw of Zurich Roll Oberrieden c1340 |
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11295848_10205012689651323_2531601406171076059_n.jpg?oh=30dc5004cc5443b94514277b8af60a3f&oe=55EB1832 | |
BSB Csg 9210, Grunenberg Wappenbuch, 1602-04, f03, fish surfing lady | Buoy, badge of Nevile, Lord Abergavenny, temp. Henry VIII; the illustration was drawn c.1600. FB Images courtesy of Bruce Draconarius. |
Modern:[edit | edit source]
Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):[edit | edit source]
Pennsic Traceable Art Project:[edit | edit source]
Book of Traceable Heraldic Art[edit | edit source]
Sources:[edit | edit source]
Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/
Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi
Laurel Armory Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html
Convential "Proper" Coloring in Glossary of Terms:[edit | edit source]
Charge | Tincture or Blazone | Tincture Class (color or metal) |
Ship | Brown, sails must be specified | Color |
http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#proper
Precedents:[edit | edit source]
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
Restatement Wiki - http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page (restatements of Precedents)
Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.
Definitions/Defining Instances:[edit | edit source]
Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - DEFINING INSTANCE] (curragh/coracle)
Registerability:[edit | edit source]
(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)
December 1984 - demiwolf with lymphad:[edit | edit source]
Robert of the Isles. Badge (appeal). Counterermine, a demiwolf erect conjoined in fess to the sinister half of a lymphad argent.
- DISCUSSION: Master Wilhelm returned the original submission in May 1983, saying, "You may not combine two charges by dimidiation. This is also an infringement upon the Cinque Ports, the only user of these dimidiated charges." (WvS, 26 May 83, p. 20) The applicant has appealed this ruling on the grounds that (1) this is not dimidiation, since it consists of a single charge on a single field; (2) other monsters, such as seahorses are combined by joining different parts of objects, and are not considered dimidiation; and (3) the charge was not unique to the Cinque Ports.
- ) The first argument confuses dimidiation as a form of marshalling with the dimidiation of two charges. FoxDavies, in The Art of Heraldry, bears out the latter concept (in reference, if not in blazon) when he speaks of the "lions passant guardant dimidiated" of the Cinque Ports (pp. 128129), and Parker's entry on dimidiated refers the reader toship for a discussion of the Cinque Ports.
- ) The second argument is, I think, an imperfect analogy. Many, if not most, of the chimerical creatures had an existencein folklore outside of heraldic usage, while the lionship of the Cinque Ports was clearly an heraldic invention. "There can be no doubt whatever that this originally came from the dimidiation of two separate coats," FoxDavies avers.
- ) Of the six "exceptions" to the claim of uniqueness listed in the third argument, four (Sandwich, Hastings, Ramsgate, and Feversham Abbey) were part of the association of maritime towns known as the Cinque Ports.
However, the charge associated with the Cinque Ports is a lion dimidiated with a hulk. The charge in Baron Robert's proposed badge is a wolf dimidiated with a galleon. While it is obvious that the latter charge was composed in imitation of the former, it is nonetheless not the lionship of the Cinque Ports. If we claim infringement, we are in effect reserving a whole class of charges, if not an entire heraldic concept.
While the creation of charges by dimidiation is not something we should in general be encouraging, a significant number of the heralds who commented on this submission thought it reasonable. In this case, at least, I am willing to grant an exception. What Baron Robert has done, after all, is to create a new charge in the pattern of mundane armory, and that is something worth encouraging.
"With only a little ingenuity, one can find strikingly new ways of using old charges. This occurred to a subject of Bhakail who was patiently told by a local herald why he could not have a firebreathing dragon. 'Very well, then I'll have a firebreathing badger!' And very nice looking it is." (Alfgar the Sententious. The road less traveled by: a few notes on armorial design in the Society. The Second Bienniel Ysgithrian Heraldic Symposium, page 58.)
- Not to mention the occasional cockatrice in motley.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1984/12/lar.html
Conflict:[edit | edit source]
July 2017 LoAR - new DC for presence/absence of sails:[edit | edit source]
We are therefore amending our policy on the difference we grant for ships: As before, we grant no difference for type of ship, per se. The shape of the hull, the presence of oars, or the number of masts will count for no difference.
We now grant difference for the presence or absence of sails on a ship. This will mean, for example, a DC between a lymphad (which has its sails furled by default) and a drakkar (which is under full sail by default). No difference will be given between, say, a drakkar and a caravel (or any other late-period sailing ship), since both are ships with sails.
The corollary to this is that the sails, if shown, must be drawn large enough to be considered "half the charge" for contrast and conflict purposes. For instance, we will grant a DC between a lymphad and a lymphad, sails unfurled - but only if the sails are large enough to be worth that difference. A "sailed" ship with insignificant sails will be returned for redrawing.
For sailed ships, we now grant difference for the tincture of the sails. This will mean a DC between, for instance, a drakkar gules and a drakkar gules sailed Or. Note that the sail's tincture is an integral part of the tincture of the charge: between a drakkar gules sailed Or and a drakkar azure is one DC, not two. The corollary to this is that sail tincture can now be counted against other charges in addition to ships. For instance, between a drakkar gules sailed Or and a lion gules, we have one DC for type of charge and one DC for its tincture.
June 1992 KWHSS LoAR - no CD for longship vs galley[edit | edit source]
Erik the Runt. Device. Gules, a longship sailing to sinister and in base two swords in saltire Or.This conflicts with O'Donnel, cited in the LOI (Papworth 1089): Gules, a galley, her oars in action Or. There is a CD for the swords, but we have hitherto granted no difference for type of ship; and as a longship is so nearly symmetric, reversing it cannot count as a second CD. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1992/06/symposiumlar.htm
Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]
- 2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - Collected Armory Precedents
- 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - DEFINING INSTANCE (curragh/coracle), SHIP
- 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - Collected Armory Precedents
- The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - Collected Armory Precedents
- 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - Collected Armory Precedents
- The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - Collected Armory Precedents
- The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - Single HTML Document
- 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -
- The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - Collected precedents
- 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -
- The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - Collected Precedents
- The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - Single HTML Document
- The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - Collected Precedents
- The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - Collected Precedents
- The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - Collected Precedents
In the Ordinary[edit | edit source]
(includes ark, boat, canoe, caravel, carrack, coracle, curragh, dhow, dragonship, drakkar, galleon, galley, gondola, hulk, knorr, longship, lymphad, outrigger)
- Ship - 1 - Argent
- Ship - 1 - Azure
- Ship - 1 - Fur
- Ship - 1 - Gules
- Ship - 1 - Multicolor
- Ship - 1 - Or
- Ship - 1 - Purpure
- Ship - 1 - Sable
- Ship - 1 - Vert
- Ship - 2
- Ship - 3 or more
- Ship - Anchor - see Anchor
- Ship - Part (includes belaying pin, oar, prow, rudder)
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