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Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html <br> | |||
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents) | |||
'' '''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.''' '' | |||
==Definition:== | |||
===December 2020 CL - On Oriental, Part 2=== | |||
In the November 2020 Cover Letter we announced the first in a series of reblazons to remove the term Oriental. We continue this month... | |||
* The single instance of an Oriental bat is just a bat. There were no distinguishing characteristics to this charge. | |||
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2020/12/20-12cl.html | |||
===March 2002 - dispayed and guardant by default:=== | ===March 2002 - dispayed and guardant by default:=== | ||
"The reremouse is both displayed and guardant by default. Since this reremouse is displayed but has its head turned to dexter, its posture has been explicitly blazoned for clarity." | "The reremouse is both displayed and guardant by default. Since this reremouse is displayed but has its head turned to dexter, its posture has been explicitly blazoned for clarity." | ||
[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/03/02-03lar.html March 2002 LoAR]] | |||
== | ==Registerability:== | ||
''(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)'' | |||
===September 2003 - natural sleeping posture unregisterable:=== | ===September 2003 - natural sleeping posture unregisterable:=== | ||
The reremouse is hanging upside down and has its wings wrapped around its body in a natural sleeping posture. This posture is not registerable by previous precedent: "The bat was not ''dormant//, but was rather in its natural sleeping posture. We know of no examples of this posture in period heraldic depictions of bats, and for good reason: this posture eliminates any identifiable aspects of the bat. Therefore the device violates VIII.4.c, Natural Depiction: ... //Excessively natural designs include those that depict animate objects in unheraldic postures'' ... and VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability" | The reremouse is hanging upside down and has its wings wrapped around its body in a natural sleeping posture. This posture is not registerable by previous precedent: "The bat was not ''dormant//, but was rather in its natural sleeping posture. We know of no examples of this posture in period heraldic depictions of bats, and for good reason: this posture eliminates any identifiable aspects of the bat. Therefore the device violates VIII.4.c, Natural Depiction: ... //Excessively natural designs include those that depict animate objects in unheraldic postures'' ... and VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability" | ||
[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2000/08/00-08lar.html August 2000 LoAR] & [http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/09/03-09lar.html September 2003 LoAR]] | |||
===October 2002 - inverted SFPP:=== | ===October 2002 - inverted SFPP:=== | ||
"Bats inverted have been explicitly allowed in the SCA in the past, as long as they are identifiable" "We will accordingly consider a bat (displayed) inverted to be a step from period practice ("a weirdness") unless documentation is provided for bats inverted in period heraldry." | "Bats inverted have been explicitly allowed in the SCA in the past, as long as they are identifiable" "We will accordingly consider a bat (displayed) inverted to be a step from period practice ("a weirdness") unless documentation is provided for bats inverted in period heraldry." | ||
[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/10/02-10lar.html October 2002 LoAR]] | |||
== | ==Conflict:>== | ||
== | ==Identifiability:== | ||
===September 2003 - natural sleeping posture unregisterable:=== | ===September 2003 - natural sleeping posture unregisterable:=== | ||
The reremouse is hanging upside down and has its wings wrapped around its body in a natural sleeping posture. This posture is not registerable by previous precedent: "The bat was not ''dormant//, but was rather in its natural sleeping posture. We know of no examples of this posture in period heraldic depictions of bats, and for good reason: this posture eliminates any identifiable aspects of the bat. Therefore the device violates VIII.4.c, Natural Depiction: ... //Excessively natural designs include those that depict animate objects in unheraldic postures'' ... and VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability" | The reremouse is hanging upside down and has its wings wrapped around its body in a natural sleeping posture. This posture is not registerable by previous precedent: "The bat was not ''dormant//, but was rather in its natural sleeping posture. We know of no examples of this posture in period heraldic depictions of bats, and for good reason: this posture eliminates any identifiable aspects of the bat. Therefore the device violates VIII.4.c, Natural Depiction: ... //Excessively natural designs include those that depict animate objects in unheraldic postures'' ... and VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability" | ||
[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2000/08/00-08lar.html August 2000 LoAR]] & [http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/09/03-09lar.html September 2003 LoAR]] | |||
==Collected Precedents:== | ==Collected Precedents:== | ||
2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - | 2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory2.html|Collected Armory Precedents]] | ||
1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - | 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#BEASTBat BEAST - Bat]], BEAST - Reremouse see [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#BEASTBat BEAST - Bat]] | ||
The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - | The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/goodbye.cgi?url=http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html Collected Armory Precedents]] | ||
The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - | The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html#BEASTBat Bat]] | ||
The 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - | The 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html#BEASTBat BEAST -- Bat]] | ||
The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - | The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html#BEASTBat BEAST -- Reremouse]] | ||
The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - | The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html Single HTML Document]] | ||
The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) - | The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) - | ||
* | * [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html|the 1st part]] (Nov 1993 - June 1994) and | ||
* | * [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/arma2c.html#Beast-Bat|Beast-Bat]] (July 1994 - June 1996) | ||
The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - | The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/ Collected precedents]] | ||
The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - | The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - | ||
* | * [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html|the 1st year]] (June 1990 - June 1991) and | ||
* | * [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html|the 2nd year]] (July 1991 - June 1992) | ||
The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - | The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMETOP.html Collected Precedents]] | ||
The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - | The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html Single HTML Document]] | ||
The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - | The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html Collected Precedents]] | ||
The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - | The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html Collected Precedents]] | ||
The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - | The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/atoc.html#bat BAT]] | ||
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=The Ordinary:= | |||
* | * [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=BEAST%2dBAT Beast - Bat] (includes reremice, reremouse) | ||
[[Category:Armory]] [[Category:Need Work]] | [[Category:Armory]] [[Category:Need Work]] | ||
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Precedents:[edit | edit source]
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.
Definition:[edit | edit source]
December 2020 CL - On Oriental, Part 2[edit | edit source]
In the November 2020 Cover Letter we announced the first in a series of reblazons to remove the term Oriental. We continue this month...
- The single instance of an Oriental bat is just a bat. There were no distinguishing characteristics to this charge.
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2020/12/20-12cl.html
March 2002 - dispayed and guardant by default:[edit | edit source]
"The reremouse is both displayed and guardant by default. Since this reremouse is displayed but has its head turned to dexter, its posture has been explicitly blazoned for clarity." March 2002 LoAR]
Registerability:[edit | edit source]
(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)
September 2003 - natural sleeping posture unregisterable:[edit | edit source]
The reremouse is hanging upside down and has its wings wrapped around its body in a natural sleeping posture. This posture is not registerable by previous precedent: "The bat was not dormant//, but was rather in its natural sleeping posture. We know of no examples of this posture in period heraldic depictions of bats, and for good reason: this posture eliminates any identifiable aspects of the bat. Therefore the device violates VIII.4.c, Natural Depiction: ... //Excessively natural designs include those that depict animate objects in unheraldic postures ... and VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability" August 2000 LoAR & September 2003 LoAR]
October 2002 - inverted SFPP:[edit | edit source]
"Bats inverted have been explicitly allowed in the SCA in the past, as long as they are identifiable" "We will accordingly consider a bat (displayed) inverted to be a step from period practice ("a weirdness") unless documentation is provided for bats inverted in period heraldry." October 2002 LoAR]
Conflict:>[edit | edit source]
Identifiability:[edit | edit source]
September 2003 - natural sleeping posture unregisterable:[edit | edit source]
The reremouse is hanging upside down and has its wings wrapped around its body in a natural sleeping posture. This posture is not registerable by previous precedent: "The bat was not dormant//, but was rather in its natural sleeping posture. We know of no examples of this posture in period heraldic depictions of bats, and for good reason: this posture eliminates any identifiable aspects of the bat. Therefore the device violates VIII.4.c, Natural Depiction: ... //Excessively natural designs include those that depict animate objects in unheraldic postures ... and VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability" August 2000 LoAR] & September 2003 LoAR]
Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]
2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - Armory Precedents] 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - BEAST - Bat], BEAST - Reremouse see BEAST - Bat] The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - Collected Armory Precedents] The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - Bat] The 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - BEAST -- Bat] The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - BEAST -- Reremouse]
The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - Single HTML Document] The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -
The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - Collected precedents] The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -
The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - Collected Precedents] The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - Single HTML Document] The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - Collected Precedents] The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - Collected Precedents] The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - BAT]
The Ordinary:[edit | edit source]
- Beast - Bat (includes reremice, reremouse)