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===Illustrations:===  
=Illustrations:=  
==Period source/s:==  
==Period source/s:==  
[[File:UniverseelWapenboek_c1558_KM1008_Goutty.jpg|129x169px|Goutty]]
[[File:UniverseelWapenboek_c1558_KM1008_Goutty.jpg|129x169px|Goutty]]
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==Modern==
==Modern==
====Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):===  
===Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):===  
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/gout/ Gout]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/gout/ Gout]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/icicle/ Icicle]
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/icicle/ Icicle]
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Gouttes are stylized drops of differing types. They are rarely seen alone and when there is a semy of gouttes, it is called goutty. The gouttes of each tincture have special names which are sometimes used instead of their tincture:
Gouttes are stylized drops of differing types. They are rarely seen alone and when there is a semy of gouttes, it is called goutty. The gouttes of each tincture have special names which are sometimes used instead of their tincture:
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
| A ''goutte d'eau''. (A goutte argent.)
| A ''goutte d'eau''. (A goutte argent.) || A ''goutte de larmes''. (A goutte azure.) || A ''goutte de sangue''. (A goutte gules.) || A ''goutte d'or''. (A goutte Or.)  
|-
|-
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedeau.gif || A ''goutte de larmes''. (A goutte azure.)
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedeau.gif  
|-
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedelarmes.gif  
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedelarmes.gif || A ''goutte de sangue''. (A goutte gules.)
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedesangue.gif  
|-
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedesangue.gif || A ''goutte d'or''. (A goutte Or.)
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedor.gif  
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedor.gif  
|-
|-
| A ''goutte de vin''. (A goutte purpure.)
|| A ''goutte de vin''. (A goutte purpure.) || A ''goutte de poix''. (A goutte sable.) || A "goutte d'huile''. (A goutte vert.)
| File:http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedevin.gif
| A ''goutte de poix''. (A goutte sable.)
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedepoix.gif || A "goutte d'huile''. (A goutte vert.)
|-
|-
|http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedhuile.gif]
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedevin.gif
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedepoix.gif
| http://www.sofyalarus.info/heraldicart/HeraldicPrimer/agoutedhuile.gif]
|}
|}


=Mnemonic song for remembering the names for gouttes:==
=Mnemonic song for remembering the names for gouttes:=
<u>"The Sangue des gouttes"</u>
<u>"The Sangue des gouttes"</u>
(by Master Iulstan Sigewealding)


D'eau: a goutte, a silver goutte.<br>
D'eau: a goutte, a silver goutte.<br>
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*http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03cl.html
*http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03cl.html


===October 2012 - gouttes not "simple geometric form"
===October 2012 - gouttes not "simple geometric form"===
From Wreath: The Shape of Things -- Gouttes
From Wreath: The Shape of Things -- Gouttes
In August 1996, when ruling that gouttes could not be voided, the Cover Letter of the LoAR stated:
In August 1996, when ruling that gouttes could not be voided, the Cover Letter of the LoAR stated:

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Illustrations:[edit | edit source]

Period source/s:[edit | edit source]

Goutty Goutty

Modern[edit | edit source]

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):[edit | edit source]

Vector Graphics:[edit | edit source]

Book of Traceable Heraldic Art

Annotated Pennsic Traceable Art Project[edit | edit source]

Special names for tinctured gouttes[edit | edit source]

From the Heraldic Primer - http://heraldry.sca.org/primer/goutes.html

Gouttes are stylized drops of differing types. They are rarely seen alone and when there is a semy of gouttes, it is called goutty. The gouttes of each tincture have special names which are sometimes used instead of their tincture:

A goutte d'eau. (A goutte argent.) A goutte de larmes. (A goutte azure.) A goutte de sangue. (A goutte gules.) A goutte d'or. (A goutte Or.)
agoutedeau.gif agoutedelarmes.gif agoutedesangue.gif agoutedor.gif
A goutte de vin. (A goutte purpure.) A goutte de poix. (A goutte sable.) A "goutte d'huile. (A goutte vert.)
agoutedevin.gif agoutedepoix.gif agoutedhuile.gif]

Mnemonic song for remembering the names for gouttes:[edit | edit source]

"The Sangue des gouttes"

(by Master Iulstan Sigewealding)

D'eau: a goutte, a silver goutte.
D'or: a drop of golden sun.
D'huile: a name for olive gouttes.
Poix: a pitch-drop on the run.

Sangue: a needle-prick that's bled.
Larmes: the tears of blue that flow.
Vin: a drink with thou and bread
That will bring us back to d'eau d'eau d'eau d'eau ... [tune from the Sound of Music]

Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:[edit | edit source]

(includes defaults, proper tinctures, blazoning)

March 2013 - acceptible shapes[edit | edit source]

From Wreath: The Shape of Things -- Gouttes Commenters were recently asked to find period depictions of gouttes, to better determine whether teardrop-shaped gouttes are acceptable or not.

Gouttes are fairly rare in period heraldry. The vast majority were drawn with quite distinct wavy tails. There were two counter examples found:

The gouttes in Afonzo V's emblem cannot be described as discrete charges, while the ones in the Virgil Raber Wappenbuch can be. We are less concerned with the depiction of essentially maintained charges treated as artistic detailing, such as with the drops of water flung from Afonzo V's paddle wheel, or with drops of blood coming from a couped head. For non-maintained or otherwise artistic charges, however, given the evidence we express a strong preference for the traditional wavy-tailed gouttes. Teardrop shaped gouttes are registerable as long as they are elongated, more than twice as long as they are wide. Any other shape will be returned after the October 2013 decision meetings.

October 2012 - gouttes not "simple geometric form"[edit | edit source]

From Wreath: The Shape of Things -- Gouttes In August 1996, when ruling that gouttes could not be voided, the Cover Letter of the LoAR stated:

  • While it is true that goutes in period were occasionally drawn like a modern teardrop, that form was the exception, not the rule. The more standard period form looks like a thin drop with a long wavy tail which is not a "simple geometric form".

This ruling apparently was repeating an earlier ruling from the August 1995 LoAR, which said "there are period examples of tear-drop goutes..." An inspection of the commentary at the time, however, provided no actual evidence aside from a statement by one commenter. We invite commenters to provide information regarding period depictions of gouttes. Specifically, we are wishing to find any attestations of teardrop shaped gouttes, or gouttes shaped in ways other than the standard thin drop with a long wavy tail.

Registerability:[edit | edit source]

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

Conflict:[edit | edit source]

Identifiability:[edit | edit source]

Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Ordinary[edit | edit source]

(includes icicle)