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==Collected Precedents:==  
==Collected Precedents:==  
* '''Compiled Names Precedents''' (current through May 2004, as of 10/2016) - http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/index.html
* '''Compiled Names Precedents''' (current through May 2004, as of 10/2016) - http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/index.html
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Compatible.html
{| class="wikitable"
| colspan="3" |'''Gweneth, Gwineth, Gwyneth, Gwynneth'''
|-
|Elsbeth Anne Roth
|2001.02
|... ''Gwyneth'' has been ruled SCA compatible. ['''Gwyneth Lewelyne''', [http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2001/05/01-02lar.html 02/01], A-Atlantia]
|-
|Elsbeth Anne Roth
|2000.08
|Submitted on the LoI as ''Gwineth of Iona'', the given name was originally submitted as ''Gwyneth''. As Jaelle of Armida, then Laurel, wrote in the November 1997 LoAR,
* Morgan & Morgan note the feminine Welsh given name ''Gwineth'' in 1577. Therefore, ''Gwyneth'' is acceptable as a plausible variant of that name.We have therefore chagned the name back to the submitted form. ['''Gwyneth of Iona''', [http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2000/08/00-08lar.html 08/00], A-Caid]
|-
|Jaelle of Armida
|1999.06
|[Gweneth ferch Morgan] No acceptable documentation was presented for ''Gweneth''. However, since Morgan and Morgan's ''Welsh Surnames''has ''Gwineth'' dated to 1577 and ''Gwentt'' dated to 1629, ''Gweneth'' is a reasonable period form. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR June 1999, p. 2)
|-
|Jaelle of Armida
|1997.11
|Morgan & Morgan note the feminine Welsh given name Gwineth in 1577. Therefore, Gwyneth is acceptable as a plausible variant of that name. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR November 1997, p. 1)
|-
|Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 2nd year)
|1996.03
|[Gwynneth] The only period evidence available for the given name is the citation Gwineth ver' Robert 1577 given by Morgan & Morgan, s.n. Gwynedd. However, they show that the surname Gwynedd occasionally appears with nn in the 16th century. The names are probably not related, but this orthographic variation still offers some support for the possibility that Gwynneth is an acceptable variant of the attested given name. (Talan Gwynek, LoAR March 1996, p. 4)
|-
|Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 1st year)
|1993.12b
|[Returning Gwynedd Fairfax.] Gwynedd, though found in Withycombe's Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, is only noted there as an undated, modern form. The closest documentable period given name is Gwineth. [12b/93, p.13]
|-
|Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane
|1987.02.28
|The name Gwyneth was almost certainly a late derivation from the geographic name Gwynedd and was not a given name in period. I have to agree that Gwynedd, which is the usual spelling for the place, should not be allowed in the Society as a given name. However, the name Gwyneth seems to have acquired a separate existence in the Society and has been registered at least twenty times (as Gwyneth or Gwynaeth) including more than one occurrence within the last year. I have to conclude that Gwyneth should belong to that select group of non-period names like Corwin or Fiona that the Society at large has elected as being "compatible". (LoAR 28 Feb 87, p. 2)
|}




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Period Forms:

  • Name - type of name (eg. English feminine give name), date, source.


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Precedents:

  • Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[1]]
  • Morsulus Heralds Website - [[2]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
  • Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Registerability:

May 2008 Cover Letter

From Pelican: No More SCA-Compatibility On the May 2008 Cover Letter, we ruled: > Therefore, as of the May 2009 decisions meetings, we declare that no new name elements or name patterns will be ruled SCA-compatible, that all names previously ruled SCA-compatible are no longer SCA-compatible and that in order for them to be registered, documentation meeting the same standards as for non-SCA-compatible names will be required. This ruling went into effect with this, the May 2009 Pelican meeting. [[3]]


Conflict:

From the <month> <year> LoAR:

Collected Precedents:


http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Compatible.html

Gweneth, Gwineth, Gwyneth, Gwynneth
Elsbeth Anne Roth 2001.02 ... Gwyneth has been ruled SCA compatible. [Gwyneth Lewelyne, 02/01, A-Atlantia]
Elsbeth Anne Roth 2000.08 Submitted on the LoI as Gwineth of Iona, the given name was originally submitted as Gwyneth. As Jaelle of Armida, then Laurel, wrote in the November 1997 LoAR,
  • Morgan & Morgan note the feminine Welsh given name Gwineth in 1577. Therefore, Gwyneth is acceptable as a plausible variant of that name.We have therefore chagned the name back to the submitted form. [Gwyneth of Iona, 08/00, A-Caid]
Jaelle of Armida 1999.06 [Gweneth ferch Morgan] No acceptable documentation was presented for Gweneth. However, since Morgan and Morgan's Welsh Surnameshas Gwineth dated to 1577 and Gwentt dated to 1629, Gweneth is a reasonable period form. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR June 1999, p. 2)
Jaelle of Armida 1997.11 Morgan & Morgan note the feminine Welsh given name Gwineth in 1577. Therefore, Gwyneth is acceptable as a plausible variant of that name. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR November 1997, p. 1)
Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 2nd year) 1996.03 [Gwynneth] The only period evidence available for the given name is the citation Gwineth ver' Robert 1577 given by Morgan & Morgan, s.n. Gwynedd. However, they show that the surname Gwynedd occasionally appears with nn in the 16th century. The names are probably not related, but this orthographic variation still offers some support for the possibility that Gwynneth is an acceptable variant of the attested given name. (Talan Gwynek, LoAR March 1996, p. 4)
Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 1st year) 1993.12b [Returning Gwynedd Fairfax.] Gwynedd, though found in Withycombe's Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, is only noted there as an undated, modern form. The closest documentable period given name is Gwineth. [12b/93, p.13]
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1987.02.28 The name Gwyneth was almost certainly a late derivation from the geographic name Gwynedd and was not a given name in period. I have to agree that Gwynedd, which is the usual spelling for the place, should not be allowed in the Society as a given name. However, the name Gwyneth seems to have acquired a separate existence in the Society and has been registered at least twenty times (as Gwyneth or Gwynaeth) including more than one occurrence within the last year. I have to conclude that Gwyneth should belong to that select group of non-period names like Corwin or Fiona that the Society at large has elected as being "compatible". (LoAR 28 Feb 87, p. 2)


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