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===Nebuly:===  
===Nebuly:===  
[[File:BSB277_1550-55Nebuly.JPG|Nebuly]]
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| Nebuly in Insignia Florentinorum - BSB Cod.icon. 277 1550-55
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===Potent-counterpotent, crusilly-countercrusilly, indented (?) trefoils issuant from the points, indented flowers at the points:===  
===Potent-counterpotent, crusilly-countercrusilly, indented (?) trefoils issuant from the points, indented flowers at the points:===  

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See also Field Division, Divisions and Ordinaries, Complex Lines from old Heraldic Primer

Illustrations:

Period sources:

Indented:

Ingeram Codex 136 1489 ComplexLine.JPG Insignia |
Complex Line of Division of Ordinary, Ingeram Codex, f136, 1489 Insignia Florentinorum BSB277, f59r, Davisi, per fess indented

Nebuly:

Nebuly
Nebuly in Insignia Florentinorum - BSB Cod.icon. 277 1550-55

Potent-counterpotent, crusilly-countercrusilly, indented (?) trefoils issuant from the points, indented flowers at the points:

Arms BSB308, Siebmacher Siebmacher
===More potent-counterpotent:===
Collection


Urdy:

BSB


Modern:

Pennsic Traceable Art Project:

#x--Sources:Sources:

Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - [[1]] Archive of St. Gabriel reports - [[2]] Laurel Armory Articles - [[3]]

New Heraldic Primer (Heraldry for Non-Heralds) - http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/newprimer/h4f5.shtml

Period Armorials

SENA Appendix H:

Low-Contrast Complex Lines of Division

All combinations of tinctures which have good contrast (as defined in [[4]]) are allowed with plain line and complex lines of division. Combinations that share a background tincture (e.g. argent// and //ermine) are not allowed. Combinations of tinctures which do not have good contrast and do not share a background tincture are allowed for:

  • Plain lines of division
  • Complex lines of division if the armory is field-primary

Fields with low-contrast tinctures separated by complex lines of division may be obscured by primary charges. Thus, divided fields with low-contrast tinctures with complex lines of division will be registered with an overlying charge only if the identity of the line of division is clear.

Lines of Partition

[[5]]

{| | |- | |-

| Dovetailed || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Dovetail.gif

||

|- | || || || || |-

| Embattled || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Embattled.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Embattled Grady || ||

File:Http:www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Embattled-Grady-0.gif

|| ||

File:Http:www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Embattled-Grady-1.gif

|- | || || || || |-

| Engrailed || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Engrailed.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Flory || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Flory1.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Flory-Counterflory || ||

File:Http:www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Flryctr2.gif

|| ||

File:Http:www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Flryctr1.gif

|- | || || || || |-

| Indented || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Indented.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Invected || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Invected.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Nebuly || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Nebuly.gif

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|- | || || || || |-

| Potenty || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Potenty.gif

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|- | || || || || |-

| Raguly || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Raguly.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Rayonny || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Rayonny.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Urdy || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Urdy.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |-

| Wavy || ||

File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Wavy.gif

|| ||

|- | || || || || |- | Many of the pictures used above were adapted from the article "[for Scribes]" |- |by Mistress Eowyn Amberdrake. |- | |- |---- |}


Difference between embattled, bretessed and embattled counter-embattled:

File:Http:www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/fess-embattled-1.gif File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/fess-bretressed-1.gif
File:Http:www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/fess-embattled-counter-embattled-1.gif
fess embattled fess bretessed fess embattled
counter-embattled
no bottom embattlement embattlements are
opposite other side embattlements are
off-set from other side


#x--Line of Division Conflict Table‍Line of Division Conflict Table

[[6]] Robert mac Cormaic, Herald-at-Large, Barony of Jararvellir, Principality of Northshield, Middle Kingdom This table includes precedents through Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane. Of considerable interest to me are the instances where "logic" breaks down in the determination of conflicts. By logic, I am referring to the chain that we usually have no need to question, where "If A = B, and B = C, then A = C." It works in math, but not always outside of it. In the case of these precedents, we find places where a line of division conflicts with two others, but those other two do not conflict with each other. Special care is needed to avoid such pitfalls. I've also found it interesting that so many lines of partition have just never been ruled on for purposes of conflict at all. Last updated January 4, 2003. [Images from "Lines of Partition" - [[7]] and Brickbat's Armorial Stash]

Line No CD CD
Embattled
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Embattled.gif
 Dovetailed [07/99, R-Lochac]
Bretessed [08/00, R-Ansteorra]
Raguly [02/01, R-Atlantia]
Urdy {04/01, R-Drachenwald] Potenty [03/00, A-An Tir]
Bretessed Raguly [04/02, R-Artemisia]
Embattled Grady
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Embattled-Grady-1.gif
Engrailed
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Engrailed.gif
 Invected [3/93, Cover]
Indented [3/93, Cover]
Invected
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Invected.gif
 Wavy [06/00, A-Middle]
Indented [3/93, Cover]
Engrailed [3/93, Cover]
Indented
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Indented.gif
 Wavy [LoAR 23 Apr 88, p. 21] Invected [3/93, Cover]
Engrailed [3/93, Cover]
Dentilly
Rayonny
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Rayonny.gif
Nebuly
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Nebuly.gif
 Wavy [01/02, R-Atenveldt] Urdy [2/95, Merides]
Urdy or Vallary
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Urdy.gif
 Wavy [2/95, Merides] Nebuly [2/95, Merides]
Dovetailed [3/93, R-Middle]
Dovetailed
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Dovetail.gif
 Raguly [LoAR 5/91 p.4] Urdy [3/93, R-Middle]
Wavy or Und
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Wavy.gif
 Nebuly [01/02, R-Atenveldt]
Urdy [2/95, Merides]
Indented [LoAR 23 Apr 88, p. 21] Invected [06/00, A-Middle]
Crested or Wavy Crested Not permitted [12/97, R-Outlands]
This division is out of period.
Wavy-Counterwavy or
Wavy Bretessed Not permitted [LoAR 12/91 p.21]
This division is out of period.
Dancetty
Potenty
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Potenty.gif
 Embattled [03/00, A-An Tir]
Raguly [03/00, A-Atlantia]
Raguly
File:Http://www.modaruniversity.org/images/webpages/Raguly.gif
 Embattled [02/01, R-Atlantia]
Dovetailed [LoAR 5/91 p.4]
Bretessed [04/02, R-Artemisia] Potenty [03/00, A-Atlantia]
Saxonized Not permitted [LoAR 3/92 p.13]
This division is out of period.
=Precedents:=
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[8]]
Morsulus Heralds Website - [[9]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
Restatement Wiki - [[10]] (restatements of Precedents)
Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.


#x--Precedents:-Definition:Definition:

#x--Precedents:-Registerability:Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

September 2009 - wavy-crested:

"wavy-crested is a line of division which significantly post-dates 1600 and thus is not acceptable for SCA use." September 2009 LoAR & February 2004 LoAR

May 2006 - two or more complex lines on a charge:

[A chief triangular embattled] With very rare exceptions (e.g. in combination with enarched lines), the use of two or more complex lines on the same charge is confusing, and unattested in period armory. (Wavy raguly? Embattled rayonny? I think not.) In this case, the chief could be either embattled or triangular --- but not both. (Johann Götz Kauffman von Erfurt, December, 1992, pg. 20). Mairgreg ingen Chailtigirn: @http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2006/05/06-05lar.html

December 1997 - two complex lines on same charge:

Anne Aliz de Bâle. Device. Sable, a swan naiant argent and a bordure engrailed, fleury at the points Or. "The bordure uses two different complex lines of division: engrailed and fleury. Such has been disallowed in the past: [A chief triangular embattled] "With _very_ rare exceptions (e.g. in combination with enarched lines), the use of two or more complex lines on the same charge is confusing, and unattested in period armory. (Wavy raguly? Embattled rayonny? I think not.) In this case, the chief could be either embattled or triangular --- but not both." (Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, LoAR December 1992, p. 20)" @http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1997/12/lar.html

#x--Precedents:-Conflict:Conflict:

#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:Identifiability:

A Collation of Laurel Precedents Regarding Contrast and Complex Lines

[[11]] compiled by Lady Alanna Volchevo Lesa, Golden Dolphin Herald Laurel precedents have also established that certain colors do or do not have sufficient contrast when used with complex lines of division. The following have been compiled from the published Precedents of the various Laurel Sovereigns of Arms and from recent Letters of Acceptance and Returns. Newer rulings override old ones, so I have arranged them in reverse chronological order. Past precedents, especially those before the 1989/90 implementation of the current Rules for Submission, do not necessarily indicate the current policies and practices of the College.

<Webminister's Note:Significant tinctures have been capitalized and highlighted in a contrasting color.>

  • [Quarterly indented VERT and SABLE, three gilly flowers in bend argent seeded Or.] Note: this is registerable because very little of the line of division is covered by the flower. (JoA, LoAR March 1999, p. 8)
  • There is insufficient contrast between PURPUREand SABLE to use a complex line of division such as urdy to separate them. It becomes unidentifiable. (JoA, LoAR January 1999, p. 14)
  • This is being returned for unidentifiability. From any distance, the wavy line separating the AZURE and COUNTER-ERMINE cannot be seen. This submission was ruled on at the roadshow meeting at the 1997 Known World Heraldic Symposium, and the people sitting in the second row could not tell what the line of division was. This return is in line with current CoA precedent. In the January 1993 return of Elspeth of Oxfordshire, Master Bruce as Laurel said: "[Per chevron embattled azure mullety of six points Or, and sable, in base a <charge> argent] The low contrast between azure and sable renders the embattled line indistinguishable from any distance. As with the recent case of Per pale embattled purpure and sable (LoAR of Aug 92, p.25), I must return this for lack of identifiability, per Rule VIII.3. (JoA, LoAR June 1997, p. 11)
  • [Per fess rayonny PURPURE and GULES] In the large emblazon, the line of division was clear even from all the way across the room the long way. (DiA II, LoAR December 1994, p. 8)
  • [Per bend sinister nebuly GULES and SABLE, a cross moline and an increscent argent] Note that the complex line of partition on this badge is between black and red, which have perhaps the best contrast of any two colors, and that nothing obscures the line of partition [badge registered]. (BD, October, 1993, pg. 10)
  • [Per bend potenty OR and ARGENT, a <charge> sable and a <charge> gules within a bordure potenty sable] The complex line of division is indistinguishable from any distance. As in the case of Landric D‘gmaer (LoAR of Aug 92), a complex line of division between two metals or two colors may be returnable for unidentifiability, per Rule VIII.3, regardless of whether the line is obscured by a charge. It only matters that the field portions have so little contrast that the complex line cannot readily be identified from a distance. That appears to be the case here. (BD, October, 1993, pg. 14)
  • [Per chevron embattled AZURE mullety of six points Or, and SABLE, in base a <charge> argent] The low contrast between azure and sable renders the embattled line indistinguishable from any distance. As with the recent case of Per pale embattled purpure and sable (LoAR of Aug 92, p.25), I must return this for lack of identifiability, per Rule VIII.3. (BD, January, 1993, pg. 30)
  • [Per bend sinister nebuly VERT and AZURE, two <charges> argent] The low contrast between vert and azure renders the nebuly line indistinguishable from any distance. As with the recent case of Per pale embattled purpure and sable (LoAR of Aug 92, p.25), I must return this for lack of identifiability, per Rule VIII.3. (BD, January, 1993, pg. 30)
  • PURPURE and SABLE are the darkest of heraldic colors, and there's insufficient contrast between them to permit [identification] of the embattled line. Rule VIII.3 requires all elements of the design --- including complex lines of division, if any --- to be identifiable. The Rule goes on to give examples of cases that wouldn't be identifiable: "For instance, a complex line of partition could be difficult to recognize between two parts of the field that do not have good contrast if most of the line is also covered mby charges." Those examples are just that: examples, not an exhaustive list. It is quite possible for a complex line of partition to be unidentifiable, even if not covered by charges; that is the case here. [For a full discussion, see LINES OF DIVISION --General] (BD, August, 1992, pg. 25)
  • [Per chevron nebuly GULES and PURPURE, three charges 2 and 1, not overlying the line of division] "The complex line of division of the field was almost entirely unidentifiable at any range because of the extremely poor contrast between gules and purpure. This is a color combination which should be avoided when using a complex line of division." [the device was returned for this reason only] (DiA I, LoAR 1/91 p.21).
  • OR does not have adequate contrast with ERMINE in our system. (AMoE, LoAR 21 May 89, p. 24)
  • The contrast between SABLE and PURPURE is too poor to permit the use of this complex [wavy] line of division. The overlying barrulet only makes the situation worse since it distracts the eye from such contrast as does exist between the two tinctures. (AMoE, LoAR 29 Mar 87, p. 15)
  • In the Rules published at the end of Master Wilhelm's tenure as Laurel, it is clearly stated (IX.4) "those partitions allowed to use two colors or two metals should not use complex lines of division, as those will be difficult to discern at a distance, due to poor contrast" and (IX.5) "the basic requirement in all cases is that there be sufficient contrast for clear visibility". (AMoE, LoAR 29 Mar 87, p. 23)
  • One of the requirements for the use of a complex line of division with two tinctures draws from the same class is that they have "sufficient contrast". Although the rules do make allusion to fields which are all "light", in most cases fields entirely divided of OR and ARGENT do not support most complex lines of division. In this particular case, where the wings of the birds, lying along the line of division, distract the eye from its nature, it is difficult to determine which line of division has been used. (AMoE, LoAR 26 Jul 87, p. 9)
  • [[12]]


Collected Precedents:

1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) -

The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) -

The Tenure of Shauna of Carri€ck Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) - The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -

In the [[13]]:

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