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=Illustrations=  
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==Modern==
==Modern==
'''Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):'''
===Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):===
<span style="display: block; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">
* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/tierce/ Tierce]
* <span style="font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline;">''<span style="background-color: #edf6fe; color: #123b66; font-family: inherit; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">[[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/tierce/|Tierce]]</span>''</span>
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[[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]:
===[[Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]:===


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===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Sources:</span>===
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - [[http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Archive of St. Gabriel reports - [[http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Laurel Armory Articles - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[scaheraldry/Period Armorials|Period Armorials]]</span>


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=Sources:=  
===Precedents:===  
Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>''


====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Definition:]]<u>'''Definition:'''</u></span>====
Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi


Laurel Armory Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html


====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Registerability:]]<u>'''Registerability:'''</u></span>====
[[Period Armorials]]
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span>


'''From the May 2014 Cover Letter:'''
 
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';">From Wreath: Tierces and Gussets and Gores, Oh My!</span>
=Precedents:=
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Also on the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss the registerability of gores, gussets, and tierces. In November 1991, Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces. In October 2012, we declared a step from period practice for the use of any other charge with a tierce.</span>
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Much of the discussion centered around our standards for armorial elements. SENA A2B1 addresses this directly:</span>
 
> Attested Elements: Armorial elements are registerable if they are attested in period European armory. Designs found in a period roll of arms or a treatise on armory meet this standard, even if it is unclear from the treatise if the element was used in actual heraldry. Elements used in arms, in badges, and in crests all meet this standard. Elements must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory.
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Under current SENA rules, gores, gussets, and tierces are all registerable charges as they are elements found in period heraldic treatises. However, SENA also requires that elements "must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory," and we have no examples of these charges used in actual period armory.</span>
 
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">After much discussion and research, for which we heartily thank all of the commenters involved, and with some thought towards both period heraldry and the leeway allowed in Society armory, we are making the following rulings:</span>
Restatement Wiki - http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page (restatements of Precedents)
* <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">The use of a tierce with any other charge on the field remains a step from period practice.
 
> </span>
'' '''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.''' ''
* <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">The use of gores or gussets with other charges is now a step from period practice.
 
> </span>
==Definition:==
 
 
==Registerability:==
(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span>
 
===May 2014 Cover Letter = Tierces and Gussets and Gores, Oh My!===
Also on the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss the registerability of gores, gussets, and tierces. In November 1991, Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces. In October 2012, we declared a step from period practice for the use of any other charge with a tierce.
 
Much of the discussion centered around our standards for armorial elements. SENA A2B1 addresses this directly:<
* Attested Elements: Armorial elements are registerable if they are attested in period European armory. Designs found in a period roll of arms or a treatise on armory meet this standard, even if it is unclear from the treatise if the element was used in actual heraldry. Elements used in arms, in badges, and in crests all meet this standard. Elements must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory.
 
Under current SENA rules, gores, gussets, and tierces are all registerable charges as they are elements found in period heraldic treatises. However, SENA also requires that elements "must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory," and we have no examples of these charges used in actual period armory.
 
After much discussion and research, for which we heartily thank all of the commenters involved, and with some thought towards both period heraldry and the leeway allowed in Society armory, we are making the following rulings:
* The use of a tierce with any other charge on the field remains a step from period practice.
* The use of gores or gussets with other charges is now a step from period practice.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html


'''From the April 2014 Cover Letter:'''
===April 2014 Cover Letter - Tierces and Steps from Period Practice===
From Wreath: Tierces and Steps from Period Practice
A submission this month had us reexamining the existing precedent of a step from period practice for the use of a tierce with any other charge. Orle has found two examples of apparent tierces, both used with other charges: one the arms of Canella in an Italian armorial, and one the attributed arms of Barbary in a German armorial. While compelling, this is not sufficient to overturn the step from period practice; of the two examples we have so far, both are of nebuly tierces, not with plain lines or any other complex lines, and we have no reason to think these are not clouds instead of tierces with complex lines. Without further evidence that the charges in the two examples are indeed tierces we will continue to consider tierces used with other charges a step from period practice.
A submission this month had us reexamining the existing precedent of a step from period practice for the use of a tierce with any other charge. Orle has found two examples of apparent tierces, both used with other charges: one the arms of Canella in an Italian armorial, and one the attributed arms of Barbary in a German armorial. While compelling, this is not sufficient to overturn the step from period practice; of the two examples we have so far, both are of nebuly tierces, not with plain lines or any other complex lines, and we have no reason to think these are not clouds instead of tierces with complex lines. Without further evidence that the charges in the two examples are indeed tierces we will continue to consider tierces used with other charges a step from period practice.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/04/14-04cl.html
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/04/14-04cl.html


'''From the October 2012 Cover Letter:'''
===October 2012 Cover Letter - Dastardly Tierces===
From Wreath: Dastardly Tierces
This month we considered several designs with tierces, one of which used central ordinaries. The resulting design looked off-balanced, and prompted some further research on tierces.
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">This month we considered several designs with tierces, one of which used central ordinaries. The resulting design looked off-balanced, and prompted some further research on tierces.</span>
 
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Tierces do not seem to have been used in period armory at all, although they can be found in some heraldic tracts shown on plain fields. Without further evidence as to how tierces affect the field, we will treat them as we treat chiefs. That is to say, that the rest of the field should be centered in the space remaining to it. Given the lack of evidence of their actual use, and the fact that they make the field unbalanced, there is a step from period practice for the use of any other charges with a tierce.</span>
Tierces do not seem to have been used in period armory at all, although they can be found in some heraldic tracts shown on plain fields. Without further evidence as to how tierces affect the field, we will treat them as we treat chiefs. That is to say, that the rest of the field should be centered in the space remaining to it. Given the lack of evidence of their actual use, and the fact that they make the field unbalanced, there is a step from period practice for the use of any other charges with a tierce.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10cl.html
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10cl.html


'''From the February 1991 Cover Letter:'''
===February 1991 Cover Letter - no more charged tierces===
"...on and after June 1, 1991, the College will no longer register charged sides or tierces."
"...on and after June 1, 1991, the College will no longer register charged sides or tierces."
[[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/1991/02/cvr.html|February 1991 LoAR Cover Letter]]
[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/1991/02/cvr.html February 1991 LoAR Cover Letter]




====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]<u>'''Conflict:'''</u></span>====  
==Conflict:==  




====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:]]<u>'''Identifiability:'''</u></span>====  
==Identifiability:==  








====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>====  
==Collected Precedents:==  
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#TIERCE|TIERCE and FLAUNCHES]]</span>
* 2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory2.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - </span>'''<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#TIERCE|TIERCE and FLAUNCH]]</span>
* 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) -</span>'''
* 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/goodbye.cgi?url=http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) -</span>'''
* 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html Single HTML Document]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) -</span>'''
* 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -</span>'''
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994)] and
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) -</span>'''
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/daudIITOC.html the 2nd part (July 1994 - June 1996)]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/ Collected precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>'''
* 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>'''
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991)] and
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -</span>'''
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html the 2nd year (July 1991 - June 1992)]
* The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMETOP.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html Single HTML Document]
* The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html Collected Precedents]
* The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html Collected Precedents]


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=[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html Ordinary ]=  
===<span style="font-size: 1.1em; line-height: 1.5;">'''The''' </span>'''<span style="font-size: 1.1em; line-height: 1.5;">[[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html|Ordinary ]]</span>'''<span style="font-size: 1.1em; line-height: 1.5;">''':'''</span>===  
(includes flank, side, tierce)
(includes flank, side, tierce)
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3aargent|Flaunch - Argent]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3aargent Flaunch - Argent]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3aazure|Flaunch - Azure]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3aazure Flaunch - Azure]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3afur|Flaunch - Fur]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3afur Flaunch - Fur]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3agules|Flaunch - Gules]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3agules Flaunch - Gules]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3amulticolor|Flaunch - Multicolor]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3amulticolor Flaunch - Multicolor]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3aor|Flaunch - Or]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3aor Flaunch - Or]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3apurpure|Flaunch - Purpure]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3apurpure Flaunch - Purpure]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3asable|Flaunch - Sable]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3asable Flaunch - Sable]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3avert|Flaunch - Vert]]
* [http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLAUNCH%3avert Flaunch - Vert]


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[[Category:Armory]] [[Category:Charges]]
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Revision as of 18:11, 6 January 2019

WARNING: Do not cite this page as a reference. This page is on this wikispace only to make the content "searchable" and easier to find. If you find the information you seek here, go to the original sources as linked below to verify the information and use them for your documentation.

Illustrations

Period source:

Miscellaneous Miscellaneous possible tierces, courtesy of Gunnfor silfrahar

Modern

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):

Pennsic Traceable Art Project:

Sources:

Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/

Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi

Laurel Armory Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html

Period Armorials


Precedents:

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html

Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

Restatement Wiki - http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page (restatements of Precedents)

Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:

Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

May 2014 Cover Letter = Tierces and Gussets and Gores, Oh My!

Also on the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss the registerability of gores, gussets, and tierces. In November 1991, Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces. In October 2012, we declared a step from period practice for the use of any other charge with a tierce.

Much of the discussion centered around our standards for armorial elements. SENA A2B1 addresses this directly:<

  • Attested Elements: Armorial elements are registerable if they are attested in period European armory. Designs found in a period roll of arms or a treatise on armory meet this standard, even if it is unclear from the treatise if the element was used in actual heraldry. Elements used in arms, in badges, and in crests all meet this standard. Elements must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory.

Under current SENA rules, gores, gussets, and tierces are all registerable charges as they are elements found in period heraldic treatises. However, SENA also requires that elements "must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory," and we have no examples of these charges used in actual period armory.

After much discussion and research, for which we heartily thank all of the commenters involved, and with some thought towards both period heraldry and the leeway allowed in Society armory, we are making the following rulings:

  • The use of a tierce with any other charge on the field remains a step from period practice.
  • The use of gores or gussets with other charges is now a step from period practice.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html

April 2014 Cover Letter - Tierces and Steps from Period Practice

A submission this month had us reexamining the existing precedent of a step from period practice for the use of a tierce with any other charge. Orle has found two examples of apparent tierces, both used with other charges: one the arms of Canella in an Italian armorial, and one the attributed arms of Barbary in a German armorial. While compelling, this is not sufficient to overturn the step from period practice; of the two examples we have so far, both are of nebuly tierces, not with plain lines or any other complex lines, and we have no reason to think these are not clouds instead of tierces with complex lines. Without further evidence that the charges in the two examples are indeed tierces we will continue to consider tierces used with other charges a step from period practice. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/04/14-04cl.html

October 2012 Cover Letter - Dastardly Tierces

This month we considered several designs with tierces, one of which used central ordinaries. The resulting design looked off-balanced, and prompted some further research on tierces.

Tierces do not seem to have been used in period armory at all, although they can be found in some heraldic tracts shown on plain fields. Without further evidence as to how tierces affect the field, we will treat them as we treat chiefs. That is to say, that the rest of the field should be centered in the space remaining to it. Given the lack of evidence of their actual use, and the fact that they make the field unbalanced, there is a step from period practice for the use of any other charges with a tierce. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10cl.html

February 1991 Cover Letter - no more charged tierces

"...on and after June 1, 1991, the College will no longer register charged sides or tierces." February 1991 LoAR Cover Letter


Conflict:

Identifiability:

Collected Precedents:

Ordinary

(includes flank, side, tierce)