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===Precedents:===  
=Precedents:=
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
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<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span>
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====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]<u>'''Conflict:'''</u></span>====  
==Conflict:==  


'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">From the September 2008 LoAR:</span>'''
===July 2018 - lozenge in augmentation as if independent armory===
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Elspeth Jamieson. Device. Argent vêtu ployé azure, two serpents erect respectant entwined sable.</span>
Wencenedl of Rokesburg. Augmentation of arms. Azure, a hart trippant reguardant, on a chief embattled argent three dragonflies azure, and for augmentation, the hart gorged of a coronet Or pearled argent, suspended therefrom a lozenge gules charged with a trillium argent barbed vert... This augmentation is also returned for conflict with the device of Madelyn Catherwood, Gules, a trillium blossom and a chief invected argent, with one DC for removal of the secondary charge, and with the badge of Marrin von Waldburg, Gules, on a trillium argent three maple leaves gules, with one DC for removal of the tertiary charge. Per SENA A5C4, "in a submission of augmented arms where the augmentation appears to be a display of independent armory, such as a charged canton or a single charged escutcheon, the augmentation must be checked for conflict as if it were a submission of independent armory." The lozenge is a medium of heraldic display, and so must be considered as such a stand-alone display.
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">This is returned for conflict with Werenher von Ingolstadt, Azure, on a lozenge argent, a bear statant erect sable. Precedent, set in April 2008, says "</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">While a lozenge throughout must always be checked as though it were a vêtu field (and thus comparable to all other fields), a lozenge need only be compared to a vêtu field (not to all fields)." The converse is not true - vêtu must be checked against a lozenge throughout, a lozenge, and all fields.</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> Since Elspeth's submission can be blazoned as Azure, on a lozenge ployé throughout argent, two serpents erect respectant, bodies entwined sable, there is only a single CD for the multiple changes to the tertiary charges. </span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">We do not give a CD for the difference between a lozenge and a lozenge throughout, nor do we give one for the difference between plain and ployé edges on a charge</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">. [Note that under SENA one can now get MORE than a single DC for mulptiple changes to tertiary charges!]</span>
*http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/07/18-07lar.html#141
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/09/08-09lar.html]]</span>


'''From the November 2002 LoAR''':
===September 2008 - vêtu vs lozenge thorughout===
>Elspeth Jamieson. Device. Argent vêtu ployé azure, two serpents erect respectant entwined sable.  This is returned for conflict with Werenher von Ingolstadt, Azure, on a lozenge argent, a bear statant erect sable. Precedent, set in April 2008, says " ''' While a lozenge throughout must always be checked as though it were a vêtu field (and thus comparable to all other fields), a lozenge need only be compared to a vêtu field (not to all fields)." The converse is not true - vêtu must be checked against a lozenge throughout, a lozenge, and all fields.''' Since Elspeth's submission can be blazoned as Azure, on a lozenge ployé throughout argent, two serpents erect respectant, bodies entwined sable, there is only a single CD for the multiple changes to the tertiary charges. </span>'''We do not give a CD for the difference between a lozenge and a lozenge throughout, nor do we give one for the difference between plain and ployé edges on a charge'''. [Note that under SENA one can now get MORE than a single DC for multiple changes to tertiary charges!]
*http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/09/08-09lar.html
 
===November 2002 - lozenge vs lozenge ployé, lozenge vs lozenge throughout===
"There is no difference between a lozenge and a lozenge ployé, nor is there difference between a lozenge and a lozenge throughout."
"There is no difference between a lozenge and a lozenge ployé, nor is there difference between a lozenge and a lozenge throughout."
[[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/11/02-11lar.html|November 2002 LoAR]]
[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/11/02-11lar.html November 2002 LoAR]


'''From the February 2002 LoAR:'''
===February 2002 LoAR:===
[Cecily of Whitehaven. Badge. Per fess argent and azure, in chief a lozenge gules.] This submission was originally blazoned using a ''lozenge fesswise''. Because lozenges could be drawn with various proportions in period, including a square set on its corner (which can be neither fesswise nor palewise), it does not make sense to distinguish different proportions of lozenge in blazon.
[Cecily of Whitehaven. Badge. Per fess argent and azure, in chief a lozenge gules.] This submission was originally blazoned using a ''lozenge fesswise''. Because lozenges could be drawn with various proportions in period, including a square set on its corner (which can be neither fesswise nor palewise), it does not make sense to distinguish different proportions of lozenge in blazon.
[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html]]
*http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html




====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:]]<u>'''Identifiability:'''</u></span>====  
==Identifiability:==  








====<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>====  
==Collected Precedents:==  
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#LOZENGE|LOZENGE]]</span>
* 2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory2.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - </span>'''<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#LOZENGE|LOZENGE]]</span>
* 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#LOZENGE LOZENGE]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) -</span>'''
* 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - [http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html#LOZENGE LOZENGE]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) -</span>'''
* 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html Single HTML Document]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) -</span>'''
* 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -</span>'''
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994)] and
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) -</span>'''
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/daudIITOC.html the 2nd part (July 1994 - June 1996)]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) -</span>'''
* The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/ Collected precedents]
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) -</span>'''
* 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) -</span>'''
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991)] and
'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -</span>'''
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html the 2nd year (July 1991 - June 1992)]
* The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMETOP.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html Single HTML Document]
* The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html Collected Precedents]
* The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html Collected Precedents]


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===<u>'''In the Ordinary'''</u>:===  
===<u>'''In the Ordinary'''</u>:===  
(includes diamond, fusil, passion nail)
(includes diamond, fusil, passion nail)

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See also Mascle.

Illustrations:

[Illustration from period source]

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):

Lozenge Mascle, Rustre, Fess
Lozenge Lozenge
See:
* [[1]]
* [Mascle; Rustre]
For related charges, see polygon.See also vêtu.


Illustration/s from Brickbat's Armorial Stash - [[2]]:

Pennsic Traceable Art Project:


Heraldic Primer/other recognized sources:


Precedents:

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[3]] Morsulus Heralds Website - [[4]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents) Restatement Wiki - [[5]] (restatements of Precedents) Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

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#x--Precedents:-Registerability:Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

Conflict:

July 2018 - lozenge in augmentation as if independent armory

Wencenedl of Rokesburg. Augmentation of arms. Azure, a hart trippant reguardant, on a chief embattled argent three dragonflies azure, and for augmentation, the hart gorged of a coronet Or pearled argent, suspended therefrom a lozenge gules charged with a trillium argent barbed vert... This augmentation is also returned for conflict with the device of Madelyn Catherwood, Gules, a trillium blossom and a chief invected argent, with one DC for removal of the secondary charge, and with the badge of Marrin von Waldburg, Gules, on a trillium argent three maple leaves gules, with one DC for removal of the tertiary charge. Per SENA A5C4, "in a submission of augmented arms where the augmentation appears to be a display of independent armory, such as a charged canton or a single charged escutcheon, the augmentation must be checked for conflict as if it were a submission of independent armory." The lozenge is a medium of heraldic display, and so must be considered as such a stand-alone display.

September 2008 - vêtu vs lozenge thorughout

>Elspeth Jamieson. Device. Argent vêtu ployé azure, two serpents erect respectant entwined sable. This is returned for conflict with Werenher von Ingolstadt, Azure, on a lozenge argent, a bear statant erect sable. Precedent, set in April 2008, says " While a lozenge throughout must always be checked as though it were a vêtu field (and thus comparable to all other fields), a lozenge need only be compared to a vêtu field (not to all fields)." The converse is not true - vêtu must be checked against a lozenge throughout, a lozenge, and all fields. Since Elspeth's submission can be blazoned as Azure, on a lozenge ployé throughout argent, two serpents erect respectant, bodies entwined sable, there is only a single CD for the multiple changes to the tertiary charges. We do not give a CD for the difference between a lozenge and a lozenge throughout, nor do we give one for the difference between plain and ployé edges on a charge. [Note that under SENA one can now get MORE than a single DC for multiple changes to tertiary charges!]

November 2002 - lozenge vs lozenge ployé, lozenge vs lozenge throughout

"There is no difference between a lozenge and a lozenge ployé, nor is there difference between a lozenge and a lozenge throughout." November 2002 LoAR

February 2002 LoAR:

[Cecily of Whitehaven. Badge. Per fess argent and azure, in chief a lozenge gules.] This submission was originally blazoned using a lozenge fesswise. Because lozenges could be drawn with various proportions in period, including a square set on its corner (which can be neither fesswise nor palewise), it does not make sense to distinguish different proportions of lozenge in blazon.


Identifiability:

Collected Precedents:


In the Ordinary:

(includes diamond, fusil, passion nail)