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Polish surname (derived from a place name named after an occupation), dated 1625 and 1643 in Abramowicz et al, vol. 1, s.n. Le{s'}nikowski. | Polish surname (derived from a place name named after an occupation), dated 1625 and 1643 in Abramowicz et al, vol. 1, s.n. Le{s'}nikowski. | ||
=Name Pattern= | |||
==Patronymic phrases== | |||
By precedent, <patronymic particle> + <father's name> is a single name phrase, so needs to be in the same language. The patterns of multiple generation patronyms and patronyms formed from the father's full name are found in Russian per Appendix A of SENA. Double bynames and patronyms also appear in Polish, so the overall basic construction of given + patronym + patronym may be plausible in other Slavic languages as well. | By precedent, <patronymic particle> + <father's name> is a single name phrase, so needs to be in the same language. The patterns of multiple generation patronyms and patronyms formed from the father's full name are found in Russian per Appendix A of SENA. Double bynames and patronyms also appear in Polish, so the overall basic construction of given + patronym + patronym may be plausible in other Slavic languages as well. | ||
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Amalia
Amalia Elisabetha Landrafin zu Hessen
Amalia is a feminine given name found in the German language book Copia Schreibens an das ... Churf{u:}rstl. Collegium von ... Amalia Elisabetha Landgr{a:}fin zu Hessen, published 1640 (https://books.google.com/books?id=ID5FAAAAcAAJ).
Amiliia
Amiliia - expected Russian femininization of Amilii, apostle from Bukharev's Zhitiia vsekh sviatykh. [Lives of all Saints], thus in the Russian Saints names pool.
Pattern:
- Afanasii/Afanasiia, Amplii/Ampliia, Iulii/Iuliia, etc. etc.
Andriejeva
Andrijeva feminized Andrijev, 1527 Vienac
Andrijeva is a feminized byname found in Vienac (Vijenac). Zabavi i pouci. Izdaje (https://books.google.com/books?id=9sKPme_xXwsC&pg=PA325), p. 325. This is a modern source discussing people from 1527. It is derived from the patronymic byname Andrijev, itself derived from the given name Andrij. (The consulting herald is not sure exactly in which Slavic language this book is written.)
Where/what is Vienac? Vienac means "wreath", venets in Russian. It was 19th century Croatian literary magazine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijenac
So, it's Croatian, i.e. South Slavic
Andrii, alternately Andrij, as Russian
- Andrii Val'ner, 16th century. Luka Andriev Zykov, 1602. - Wickenden 3rd edition, s.n. Andrei.
- Андрий - Andrij = International Phonetic transliteration, Andrij/Andriy/Andrii = period Polish transliteration
- Андриев - Andriev = International Phonetic transliteration, Andriev/Andrjv (?) = period Polish transliteration
- period Polish transliteration from Appendix A: Russian Feminine Names on the Western Borderlands in Wickenden 3rd Edition.
doch'
Russian patronymic particle found in Wickenden. Assistance documenting the correct particle is appreciated.
Mihajlo
Mihajlo is a variant of the Serbian Mihailo
Found in the 1621 Zarcalo dvhovno od pocetka, i sfarhe xivota coviecanskoga Razdieglieno, i ... By Mauro Orbini (https://books.google.com/books?id=OZhoAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA7), p. 7.
Serbian is South Slavic.
Mikhailo as Russian
- Mikhailo Ivanovich' Viazem'skii, 1386, sn Mikhail, Wickenden 3rd Ed.
- Михаило - no "j" option for this in International Phonetic transliteration, nor in period Polish (could have Mikhaylo)
- Unmarked patronymics are allowed in Russian per precedent [Maria Kotok, I believe].
- Mikhailova would be the standard patronymic form.
- Mikhaila (simple genitive case) is also an option.
Lesniak
A Russian or Belorussian occupational byname meaning "woodsman, forester" or "person living in a thicket" (see notes from ffride wlffsdotter in the attached documentation).
Assistance documenting the unmarked form (without a suffix) is appreciated.
Lesnikov, Russian
Russian patronymic-form occupational byname, header in Wickenden, Vasko Lesnikov, c.1495.
- As noted above with Mikhailo, unmarked patronymics are allowed in Russian by precedent.
- So Lesnik would be plausible. As would Lesnika (simple genetive)
Le{s'}nikowski, Polish
Polish surname (derived from a place name named after an occupation), dated 1625 and 1643 in Abramowicz et al, vol. 1, s.n. Le{s'}nikowski.
Name Pattern
Patronymic phrases
By precedent, <patronymic particle> + <father's name> is a single name phrase, so needs to be in the same language. The patterns of multiple generation patronyms and patronyms formed from the father's full name are found in Russian per Appendix A of SENA. Double bynames and patronyms also appear in Polish, so the overall basic construction of given + patronym + patronym may be plausible in other Slavic languages as well.
I note that Andrijeva is a feminized PATRONYMIC byname. So this names has a triple "patronymic". This is allowed, and indicates that Amalia claiming multiple male relatives. Most likely, Andrij is her husband, with Mihailo Lesniak being her father. So it should probably be in the same language as the other patronymics.
Lingual Mixes
Slovak is classified as "North Slavic" in the SCA. According to Appendix C: Lingual Mixes, North Slavic may be combined with Baltic, German, Hungarian/Romanian, and Russian/East Slavic.
- South Slavic is conspicuously missing from the above list, so using Serbian and Croatian names with Slovak are a problem without documenting North/South Slavic interaction. (Shouldn't be a problem, but will take some work.)
If we go with a German "Amalia", it could be combined with: Baltic, Dutch, French, Italian, North Slavic, Scandinavian.
- No Russian, no South Slavic.