Thistle

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Illustrations:

Modern

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):

• Teazel
• Thistle

Glossary of Terms:

Conventional "Proper" Colorings -

Charge	Tincture or Blazon	Tincture Class
Thistle	Green sepals, stem, leaves; purple or red flower	Color
http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html

Precedents:

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html

Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

Restatement Wiki - http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page (restatements of Precedents)

Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:

July 1993 Cover Letter - branch with flower vs slipped flower

In cases [where a slipped and leaved flower consists primarily of the branch portion rather than the flower portion], I will register the plant as a branch with a flower. Moreover, I intend to grant a Substantial Difference (i.e., sufficient to invoke Rule X.2) between a branch (flowered or not) and a flower. Slipped flowers drawn with the flower dominant will still be considered negligibly different from a plain flower. Flowers whose slips are part of the definition (e.g., trefoil, thistle) will not get extra difference for the slip [for full discussion, see under BLAZON (24 July, 1993 Cover Letter (June, 1993 LoAR), pg. 7) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/bow.html

November 1990 - slipped and leaved by default:

"In the SCA, thistles are slipped and leaved by default." (LoAR 11/90 p.11). http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud/daud1f.html

Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

January 2010 - head of thistle SFPP

[Isabele de Torriden. Device. Argent, three thistle heads proper.] The use of just the head of a thistle is a step from period practice. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/01/10-01lar.html

Conflict:

January 2010 - thistles vs artichokes

[Isabele de Torriden. Device. Argent, three thistle heads proper.] This device is returned for conflict with the device of Deborah the Dextrous, Argent, three artichokes vert. We note that artichokes are a species of thistle, which explains the similarity in appearance. We will grant significant, but not substantial, difference between an artichoke and a thistle head. Therefore, there is a single CD for the change of type of primary charges; there is no CD for changing the tincture of less than half the charges. The use of just the head of a thistle is a step from period practice. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/01/10-01lar.html

July 1993 Cover Letter - branch with flower vs flower slipped

In cases [where a slipped and leaved flower consists primarily of the branch portion rather than the flower portion], I will register the plant as a branch with a flower. Moreover, I intend to grant a Substantial Difference (i.e., sufficient to invoke Rule X.2) between a branch (flowered or not) and a flower. Slipped flowers drawn with the flower dominant will still be considered negligibly different from a plain flower. Flowers whose slips are part of the definition (e.g., trefoil, thistle) will not get extra difference for the slip [for full discussion, see under BLAZON (24 July, 1993 Cover Letter (June, 1993 LoAR), pg. 7) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/bow.html

December 1992 - teazel vs thistle:

Period heralds seem to have distinguished between a teazel and a thistle, despite the similarity of the nouns. For armory as simple as this [(fieldless) A teazel slipped and leaved vs. <Field>, a thistle], we can see granting a CD for type of flower. (Ealdgytha of Spalding Abbey, December, 1992, pg. 12) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/flower-thistle.html

December 1992 - thistle purpure vs proper

[A thistle purpure] was returned Feb 92 for conflict with the badge of Clan Stewart (Fox-Davies' Heraldic Badges , p.146): A thistle [proper]. At the time, it was assumed that the Stewart badge was tinctureless. However, in blazoning the Scots plant badges, Fox-Davies did not account for their most common use: as sprigs actually worn on the person. This makes the Scots plant badges' coloration proper in correct usage. The original submission was therefore returned in error; [the submittor] might consider resubmitting it. (Fionna Goodburne, December, 1992, pg. 19) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/bruce.html

August 1992 - thistle vs pomegranate:

I would grant a CD between a thistle and a pomegranate. (Magdalena Aeleis MacLellan, August, 1992, pg. 24) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/flower-thistle.html

October 1990 - single vs double-headed thistle

[Double flowered thistle] "Given the normal emblazon of thistles...wherein the leaves rather than the heads are the most visually prominent element, we could not see giving a CVD for the addition of the second head (not too dissimilarly to not granting a CVD for the difference between an eagle and a double-headed eagle)." (LoAR 10/90 p.14). http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/daud/daud1f.html

Identifiability:

December 1992 - thistle per chevron:

[A thistle per chevron throughout purpure and vert] The division of the thistle could not be identified as such by the heralds at Laurel's meeting. On such an irregular shape as a thistle, any division must be exceptionally simple to be recognized. Per pale might have been acceptable; Per chevron, where the line must cross the empty space between the leaves and the blossom, is not. (Fionna Goodburne, December, 1992, pg. 19) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/flower-thistle.html

Collected Precedents:

• 2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - Collected Armory Precedents
• 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - FLOWER -- Thistle
• The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - FLOWER -- Thistle
• The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - Collected Armory Precedents
• 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - Collected Armory Precedents
• The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - Collected Armory Precedents
• The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - Single HTML Document
• 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -
  • the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994) and
  • the 2nd part (July 1994 - June 1996)
• The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - Collected precedents
• 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -
  • the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991) and
  • the 2nd year (July 1991 - June 1992)
• The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - Collected Precedents
• The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - Single HTML Document
• The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - Collected Precedents
• The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - Collected Precedents
• The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - Collected Precedents

The Ordinary :

• Flower - Thistle - 1
• Flower - Thistle - 2 or more