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Illustrations:
Period sources:
Insignia | https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10933745_985042248189857_7793358011575315282_n.jpg?oh=34f0159a71b4d8a0dcea6f8e3240bcef&oe=554C6CE9 |
Insignia Venetorum nobilium II (A-IP) - BSB 272 Italien 1550-1555, an alphyn? | BSB 392d Suddeutchland, early 16th c. folio 261r, hippogriff, gules trimount on sable field. FB image courtesy of Gunnvor silfrahar. |
Modern Sources:
Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):
http:mistholme.com/dictionary/griffin-keythong/ | http:mistholme.com/dictionary/hippogriff/ |
Brickbat's Armorial Stash
- [[4]]:
Vector Graphics:
- Viking Answer Lady
Gryphon | Gryphon |
* http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/Beasts.htm |
Pennsic Traceable Art Project:
Monsters with separate articles: Alphyn, Cockatrice, Dragon, Firebird, Panther, Phoenix, Pithon, Unicorn
Glossary of Terms:
An heraldic monster is any creature used in heraldry that does not exist outside the imagination. Monsters may either be clearly invented, such as the griffin, or a confused interpretation of a genuine animal, such as the heraldic tyger. [[5]]
Other Potential Sources:
Aldrovandi, Ulyssis. Monstrorum Historia.1570. [[6]]
"Bestiary: Heraldic Monsters and Medieval Critters" - [[7]] (compiled HE Modar Neznanich, O.P. Volk Herald)
Dave's Mythical Creatures and Places - http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/alphabetical_index.htm
Münster, Sebastian. Cosmographia, Book V. Page 1080 discusses the monsters of India.
[[8]]
Vegetable Lamb:
- Lucas, Rebecca. "The Vegetable Lamb of Muscovy." [[9]] (includes period images)
Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - [[10]] Archive of St. Gabriel reports - [[11]] Laurel Armory Articles - [[12]] Period Armorials
SENA Armory 2.B.c:
2. Constructed Elements: Elements that follow a pattern for the formation of period charges are registerable. Some patterns that have been documented include: > c. Constructed Monsters: There is a pattern of creating monsters by combining elements from different animals and monsters used in heraldry. Thus, a new monster that follows these patterns is registerable. Items which can be constructed using this rule are registerable, even if it recreates a named heraldic monster which is demonstrated to be a wholly post-period invention in real-world heraldry. > For example, there is a pattern of combining the top half of quadrupeds with a fish tail to make a creature, as in a heraldic sea-horse//. This pattern can be used to create an unattested //sea-bear. http:heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A2B2c
Precedents:
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[13]] Morsulus Heralds Website - [[14]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents) Restatement Wiki - [[15]] (restatements of Precedents) Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.
#x--Precedents:-Definition:Definition:
#x--Precedents:-Registerability:Registerability:
(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)
#x--Precedents:-Conflict:Conflict:
October 2008 - dragon vs. griffin:
Wenthelen of Drakelow. Name and device. Gules, a dragon segreant between in chief a pair of drinking horns Or, a chief Or goutty de sang. This is clear of William Castille, Gules, a griffin segreant and a chief Or. Griffins and dragons were ruled to be substantially different on the July 2001 LoAR. The design is not suitable for purposes of RfS X.2 since there are three types of charge on the field (dragon, horn, chief). Using RfS X.4, it is clear with three CDs: one for the change of type of primary charge from griffin to dragon, one for the addition of the secondary horns, and one for the addition of the tertiary gouttes. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/10/08-10lar.html
November 2003 - fish-tailed:
"As a general rule, there is a CD between a quadruped (or quadrupedal monster) and a fish-tailed demi-quadruped." [2003 LoAR]
October 2001 - griffin vs. hippogriff:
#2Alana Griffin. Device. Sable, a griffin segreant Or winged argent maintaining an acorn Or. #2This also conflicts with Nicolette de Coulours, Quarterly purpure and vert, a hippogriff segreant Or. ...While the hippogriff, a griffin with the hindquarters of a horse (rather than a lion), was found in the Renaissance poetry of Ludovico Ariosto, we could find no evidence that it was used in period heraldry. Therefore the difference between a hippogriff and a griffin must be determined on visual grounds. #2In a winged quadruped such as a griffin or a hippogriff, the hindquarters are roughly one-third to one-fourth the visual weight of the charge. There are more visual cues to identifiability in the forequarters than the hindquarters, since the tails of monsters are rarely drawn with the care devoted to their heads. We also note the following precedent: #2[A dragon vs. a unicorn-headed dragon with lion's forepaws] "The visual similarities of the dragon and [the other] monster (changes to head and forepaws only) are simply too great [for there to be a CVD]. (LoAR 1/91 p.24). #2If changing most of the forequarters of a winged quadruped, including the highly identifiable head, is insufficient for a CD, then changing the less identifiable hindquarters of a winged quadruped should also be insufficient for a CD. Thus, there is no difference for type of monster... http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2001/10/01-10lar.html
September 1997 - tincture of wings and phoenix flames:
Just as we will give a CD for changing the tincture of the wings on a winged monster, so do we give one for changing the tincture of the flames of a phoenix." [1997 LoAR]
January 1995 - bird-wing vs bat-wing:
"[a winged serpent vs a bat-winged tree python] The change to the type of wings is too slight to count for the necessary second. [i.e. there is not a significant difference between a bird-winged and a bat-winged creature.] [1995 LoAR]
#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:Identifiability:
Collected Precedents:
Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - MONSTER -- Griffin, MONSTER -- Winged
The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - MONSTER -- Griffin, MONSTER -- Winged The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) - The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) -
In the Ordinary:
- Monster - Alphyn - see [- Griffin]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Argent] (includes hippogriff, opinicus)
- [- Griffin - 1 - Azure]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Fur]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Gules]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Multicolor]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Or]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Purpure]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Sable]
- [- Griffin - 1 - Vert]
- [- Griffin - 2 or more]
- Monster - Hippogriff - see [- Griffin]
- Monster - Opinicus - see [- Griffin]
- [- Winged - 1 - Argent]
- [- Winged - 1 - Azure]
- [- Winged - 1 - Fur]
- [- Winged - 1 - Gules]
- [- Winged - 1 - Multicolor]
- [- Winged - 1 - Or]
- [- Winged - 1 - Purpure]
- [- Winged - 1 - Sable]
- [- Winged - 1 - Vert]
- [- Winged - 2 or more]