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===Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition====  
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* [http://mistholme.com/dictionary/sun/ Sun]
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See also Irradiated aka "en soleil"

Illustrations:

Period:

Sun in splendor, various sunny arms:

Arlberg_1548_sunsplendor.jpg BSB272Venetorum_suns.jpg
Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Brudershaft, 1548, f ?, a unique sun in his splendor BSB272, Insignia Venetorum, 1550-55, Italian sun-like charges


Sun eclipsed with face, sunburst:

BSB 273, 1550-55 Tudor banner
BSB 273, Insignia Venetorum Nobilium III, 1550-55, Vardadio, sun eclipsed with a face. FB image courtesy of Gunnvor Silfrahar. "Banners, Standards and Badges from a Tudor manuscript in the College of Arms", p 138, banner with phoenix, sunburst, fimbriated/pierced mullets

Modern:

Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition


Pennsic Traceable Art Project:

Heraldic Primer/other recognized sources:

"Data Analysis of of Emblazons Containing Mullets, Estoiles, Spur-Rowels, and Suns" -- by Gunnvǫr silfrahárr http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Suns-and-Stars.htm

Precedents:

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)
Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:

From the Precedents of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme:

  • [On a sun Or eclipsed sable, an anchor Or] The badge has two problems, either of which is sufficient for return. The first is the use of quaternary charges, or charges entirely on tertiaries. A sun eclipsed is considered equivalent to a sun charged with a roundel; the two are interchangeable blazons, and yield the same emblazon. The anchor atop the roundel is therefore a quaternary charge, forbidden per Rule VIII.1.c.ii [also returned for conflict] (Angus Sinclair, August, 1993, pg. 15)
  • [A garden rose slipped and leaved and on a chief three garden rosebuds] There is a longstanding policy that one may not use two close variants of the same charge in one design. It creates visual confusion, where the whole purpose of heraldry is instant identification. The almost-but-not-quite identical charges need not be a single group; this is not related to our ban on "slot-machine heraldry." (We wouldn't allow, for example, a sun between three compass stars either.) If there's not a CD between the two charges, they should not be used together in the same design. (Joanna d'Oléron, September, 1993, pg. 24)
  • http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/sun.html

Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)


Conflict:

April 2012 CL - From Wreath: Mullets and Estoiles, Take Two

Commenters were asked to discuss whether or not we should continue giving difference for the number of points on a mullet or estoile, and how they should be considered versus suns. Research into period depictions of all three charges was enlightening. While most estoiles are of six wavy rays, some were found with more; none were found with less. Mullets were found with any number of points, most typically between five and eight. Suns were typically found with both wavy and straight rays, but examples were found of suns with only straight rays and of suns with only wavy rays; suns never had less than eight rays. In all cases, various depictions of the same arms in period showed that the number of points or rays largely did not matter. Past precedent has granted difference between some numbers of points on mullets. Based on the research commenters provided, it seems that this precedent is rather contrary to period armorial style, and in the interest of moving SCA armory closer to period style we are hereby overturning that precedent and making the following rulings:

  • we will continue to grant difference between mullets, with all straight rays, and estoiles, with all wavy rays
  • suns with fewer than eight projections (points or rays or a combination) will not be registered
  • there is no difference granted between mullets of any number of points
  • there is no difference granted between estoiles of any number of points
  • an estoile or mullet of seven or fewer points will be granted difference from a sun
  • a mullet of eight or more points is equivalent to a sun and will not be granted difference from a sun
  • an estoile of eight or more rays is equivalent to a sun and will not be granted difference from a sun

As this does overturn current precedent, these rulings will take effect as of the November 2012 Laurel meeting. [[1]]

November 2003 LoAR:

BSB

"Irradiated charges, when drawn correctly, are a CD from non-irradiated charges." November, 2003 LoAR

From the Precedents of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme:

  • There's ...no difference between a multi-pointed mullet and a sun (Juliana Richenda Trevain, July, 1992, pg. 20)
  • In counting conflict, we don't consider eclipsing to be a change in tincture, but equivalent to the addition of a tertiary charge. (I.e., a sun vert eclipsed Or and a sun vert charged with a bezant are equivalent blazons.) (Duncan Vitrarius, September, 1992, pg. 31)
  • There's no difference between a sun and a multi-rayed estoile. (Eirikr Sigurdharson, September, 1992, pg. 38)
  • I grant a CD between a roundel engrailed and a sun. (Solveig Throndardottir, October, 1992, pg. 10)
  • [A sun of eight points] There's [not a CD] between a mullet of six points and the sun as drawn here. (Eoghan O'Neill, January, 1993, pg. 23)
  • Just as we grant a CD between a sun and a mullet (of 5 points), so do we grant a CD between a sun and an estoile (of 6 rays). (Monica Eve le May, July, 1993, pg. 6)
  • We grant no difference between a compass star and a rivenstar, and no difference between a compass star and a sun. (Jacques Gilbert de Gascogne, September, 1993, pg. 23)
  • http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents/bruce/sun.html

Identifiability:

Collected Precedents:


The Ordinary:

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