Schnecke

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Examples:

Period:

Siebmacher Bertschi also in Virgle Waber's Neustifter Wappenbuch, mid 16th century, plate 68: arms of Behaim
Siebmacher 1605, plate 119, tricolor/bicolor schnecke versus "per pall arrondi" Bertschi Armorial, 1515-1650, tricolor/bicolor schnecke vs. per pall arrondi?
HolyRomanEmpire_Bechaim_schnecke.JPG Neustifter_plate68_Behaim_schnecke_perpall.JPG
Holy Roman Empire, Bechaim, schneck vs per pall arrondi Virgil Raber Neustifter, Behaim, schnecke vs per pall arrondi

Modern:

Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition:

  • Schnecke "The point at which the schnecke enters the shield should be blazoned; whether it spirals deasil or widdershins is left to the artist."


Vector Graphics:

Annotated Pennsic Traceable Art Project

Sources:

Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/
Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi
Laurel Armory Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html

New Heraldic Primer (Heraldry for Non-Heralds) - http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/newprimer/
Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry (PicDic), 3rd Edition - http://mistholme.com/pictorial-dictionary-of-heraldry
Period Armorials

Parker's Heraldry - https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/index.htm
Riestap's Armorial Général - http://www.euraldic.com/lasu/bl/bl_a_aa.html

Alternate Form:

This item was on the 05-2012 LoAR

Line drawing of badge of Alia Marie de Blois

2: Alia Marie de Blois - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2001, via the Outlands Or, a schnecke issuant from base maintaining on the outer swirl three schneckes sable. This is the defining instance of this type of schnecke. It is found in the 1377-8 L'Armorial Bellenville, MS Français 5230 at the BNF.

Precedents:

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:

Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

November 2000 - with secondaries or tertiaries:

[#60] Adriona Nichole la rousse de Beauvoir. Purpure, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief argent charged with a rose gules, slipped and leaved vert, in dexter chief and in base two fleurs-de-lys argent. "...as we know of no period examples of schneckes with secondary or tertiary charges, we find the use of both in this device to be two steps beyond period practice. We may allow secondary or tertiary charges with a schnecke, but we doubt that the use of either is period practice." http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2000/11/00-11lar.html

Conflict:

June 2013 - schnecke, gyronny arrondi and per pall arrondi:

[#127] Amaryllis le Pouke. Device. Gyronny of three arrondi purpure, argent and sable. Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as Schneckendreipass, that is a German blazon that may or may not be modern, and translates roughly as "three-parted snail." Woodward suggests an English blazon of tierced in gyron gyronnant. This field division was first registered in SCA heraldry in September 1971, blazoned as gyronny of three arrondi, with the following comment:

  • NOTE: Alternative blazons for this pinwheel-like field division are "Tierced in gyrons arrondi" and "Tierced in gyron gyronnant." We believe the first one given is the clearest and most descriptive, for someone who has acquired the basic heraldic vocabulary. [Crispus Alexander, A-West, September 1971]

In any case, as period examples of this field division are drawn both with the lines of division at the corners and with the lines of division shifted away from the corners, we will not consider this field division significantly different from per pall arrondi or per pall inverted arrondi.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Albrechtus Vagus, Per pall arrondi sable, azure and argent. As both devices have argent in the sinister section of the field, there is not a substantial change of tincture under SENA A5F2. There is therefore only one DC for change in tincture of half the field. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/06/13-06lar.html#127

August 2011 - change of orientation of schnecke:

[#48] Stella della Luna. Name and device. Purpure mullety, a schnecke issuant from sinister Or. This device does not conflict with the device of Alexander ben Avram, Purpure, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief, in dexter chief a mullet of six points Or. There is a CD for the change in number of secondary charges. There is an additional CD for the change of the orientation of the schnecke, from issuing from chief to issuing from sinister. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/08/11-08lar.html

May 2001 - X schnecke Y, Y schnecke X:

[#73] Leocadia de Bilbao. Name and device. Argent, issuant from base a schnecke azure. 

This is clear of Almaith ingen Chormaic, Azure, a schnecke issuant from dexter base argent. A schnecke is a charge, so there is a CD for the change in the tincture of the field and another for the change in tincture of the primary charge.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2001/05/01-05lar.html

July 2005 - schnecke vs gurges:

The question was raised this month about what difference is granted between a schnecke and a gurges. Current precedent, set by Da'ud Laurel, grants a CD between the two, but not substantial (X.2) difference:

> There is clearly a CD between a schnecke and a gurges, but the consensus of the commentary and those attending the meeting [was] that RfS X.2 does not apply between them. [Peter Schneck, 5/96]

Unlike the gurges, the schnecke seems to have started its heraldic life as a field division. Walter Leonhard's "Grosse Buch der Wappenkunst," 1984, p.165, classes the schnecke with other complex field divisions such as Schraegflammenspaltung (Per pale rayonny). Some of his schnecke-like field divisions are similar to period armory found in Siebmacher's "Wappenbuch of 1605": v. the arms of Fridesheim (plate 37), von Ellershofen (plate 106) and die Megentzer (plate 119). Leonhard blazons them all as divisions of the field, e.g. dreifacher Schneckenschnitt ("three-part Snail-cut"). But the schnecke itself he blazons as a charge: linke geschuppte Schnecke ("left-handed scaled Snail," which we'd blazon a schnecke invected reversed). This too is in Siebmacher, plate 198, as the arms of von Rordorf. This last example not only establishes the schnecke as a charge, but also lets us distinguish between the charge and the field: the invected line marks the charge. In SCA usage, the schnecke is always considered to be a charge.

The only thing the gurges and the schnecke have in common is a spiraling form. The schnecke never has more than a single revolution to its spiral: that is, if it issues from the chief, it circles the fess point of the shield once and comes to its point from chief. The gurges has at least four revolutions (if we take the concentric annular form as a baseline).

The research presented affirms the May 1996 precedent. Given their divergent evolutions and consistently differing emblazons, there is significant difference (a CD) between a gurges and a schnecke. However, there is not substantial (X.2) difference between the two. July 2005 LoAR Cover Letter


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