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Illustrations:

Period sources:

Insignia Oars, Zurich Re-draw
Insignia ... V. Insignia urbium Italiae septentrionalis: Nobilium Mediolanensium - BSB 270, Italien, 1550-1555 Oars, Ingeram Codex, f143, 1459 Zurich Roll, plate 284 Oberrieden, c1340, rowboat Re-draw of Zurich Roll Oberrieden c1340


BSBCsg9210_f03_fish-surfing-lady.PNG https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11295848_10205012689651323_2531601406171076059_n.jpg?oh=30dc5004cc5443b94514277b8af60a3f&oe=55EB1832
BSB Csg 9210, Grunenberg Wappenbuch, 1602-04, f03, fish surfing lady Buoy, badge of Nevile, Lord Abergavenny, temp. Henry VIII; the illustration was drawn c.1600. FB Images courtesy of Bruce Draconarius.

Modern:

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):

Pennsic Traceable Art Project:

Book of Traceable Heraldic Art

Sources:

Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/

Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi

Laurel Armory Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html

Period Armorials

Convential "Proper" Coloring in Glossary of Terms:

Charge Tincture or Blazone Tincture Class (color or metal)
Ship Brown, sails must be specified Color

http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#proper

Precedents:

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html

Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

Restatement Wiki - http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page (restatements of Precedents)

Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.


Definitions/Defining Instances:

Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - DEFINING INSTANCE] (curragh/coracle)


Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

December 1984 - demiwolf with lymphad:

Robert of the Isles. Badge (appeal). Counter­ermine, a demi­wolf erect conjoined in fess to the sinister half of a lymphad argent.

  • DISCUSSION: Master Wilhelm returned the original submission in May 1983, saying, "You may not combine two charges by dimidiation. This is also an infringement upon the Cinque Ports, the only user of these dimidiated charges." (WvS, 26 May 83, p. 20) The applicant has appealed this ruling on the grounds that (1) this is not dimidiation, since it consists of a single charge on a single field; (2) other monsters, such as sea­horses are combined by joining different parts of objects, and are not considered dimidiation; and (3) the charge was not unique to the Cinque Ports.
  1. ) The first argument confuses dimidiation as a form of marshalling with the dimidiation of two charges. Fox­Davies, in The Art of Heraldry, bears out the latter concept (in reference, if not in blazon) when he speaks of the "lions passant guardant dimidiated" of the Cinque Ports (pp. 128­129), and Parker's entry on dimidiated refers the reader toship for a discussion of the Cinque Ports.
  2. ) The second argument is, I think, an imperfect analogy. Many, if not most, of the chimerical creatures had an existencein folklore outside of heraldic usage, while the lion­ship of the Cinque Ports was clearly an heraldic invention. "There can be no doubt whatever that this originally came from the dimidiation of two separate coats," Fox­Davies avers.
  3. ) Of the six "exceptions" to the claim of uniqueness listed in the third argument, four (Sandwich, Hastings, Ramsgate, and Feversham Abbey) were part of the association of maritime towns known as the Cinque Ports.

However, the charge associated with the Cinque Ports is a lion dimidiated with a hulk. The charge in Baron Robert's proposed badge is a wolf dimidiated with a galleon. While it is obvious that the latter charge was composed in imitation of the former, it is nonetheless not the lion­ship of the Cinque Ports. If we claim infringement, we are in effect reserving a whole class of charges, if not an entire heraldic concept.

While the creation of charges by dimidiation is not something we should in general be encouraging, a significant number of the heralds who commented on this submission thought it reasonable. In this case, at least, I am willing to grant an exception. What Baron Robert has done, after all, is to create a new charge in the pattern of mundane armory, and that is something worth encouraging.

"With only a little ingenuity, one can find strikingly new ways of using old charges. This occurred to a subject of Bhakail who was patiently told by a local herald why he could not have a fire­breathing dragon. 'Very well, then I'll have a fire­breathing badger!' And very nice looking it is." (Alfgar the Sententious. The road less traveled by: a few notes on armorial design in the Society. The Second Bienniel Ysgithrian Heraldic Symposium, page 58.)

  • Not to mention the occasional cockatrice in motley.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1984/12/lar.html

Conflict:

July 2017 LoAR - new DC for presence/absence of sails:

We are therefore amending our policy on the difference we grant for ships: As before, we grant no difference for type of ship, per se. The shape of the hull, the presence of oars, or the number of masts will count for no difference.

We now grant difference for the presence or absence of sails on a ship. This will mean, for example, a DC between a lymphad (which has its sails furled by default) and a drakkar (which is under full sail by default). No difference will be given between, say, a drakkar and a caravel (or any other late-period sailing ship), since both are ships with sails.

The corollary to this is that the sails, if shown, must be drawn large enough to be considered "half the charge" for contrast and conflict purposes. For instance, we will grant a DC between a lymphad and a lymphad, sails unfurled - but only if the sails are large enough to be worth that difference. A "sailed" ship with insignificant sails will be returned for redrawing.

For sailed ships, we now grant difference for the tincture of the sails. This will mean a DC between, for instance, a drakkar gules and a drakkar gules sailed Or. Note that the sail's tincture is an integral part of the tincture of the charge: between a drakkar gules sailed Or and a drakkar azure is one DC, not two. The corollary to this is that sail tincture can now be counted against other charges in addition to ships. For instance, between a drakkar gules sailed Or and a lion gules, we have one DC for type of charge and one DC for its tincture.

From the July 2017 LOAR

June 1992 KWHSS LoAR - no CD for longship vs galley

Erik the Runt. Device. Gules, a longship sailing to sinister and in base two swords in saltire Or.This conflicts with O'Donnel, cited in the LOI (Papworth 1089): Gules, a galley, her oars in action Or. There is a CD for the swords, but we have hitherto granted no difference for type of ship; and as a longship is so nearly symmetric, reversing it cannot count as a second CD. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1992/06/symposiumlar.htm

Collected Precedents:


In the Ordinary

(includes ark, boat, canoe, caravel, carrack, coracle, curragh, dhow, dragonship, drakkar, galleon, galley, gondola, hulk, knorr, longship, lymphad, outrigger)


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