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Illustrations:[edit | edit source]

Period sources:[edit | edit source]

BSB268,Insignia... Banners,
BSB268,Insignia... Romae, 1550-55, f112r, zephyr "Banners, Standards and Badges from a Tudor manuscript in the College of Arms", p 138, banner with phoenix, sunburst, fimbriated/pierced mullets
ParadinClaude1557FrenchHandFromCloudCoin.jpg ParadinClaude1557FrenchHandsFromCloudsBrokenCoin.jpg

Both of above from Paradin, Claude: Devises heroïques (1557) French Emblems at Glasgow

Modern[edit | edit source]

Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):[edit | edit source]

cloud-266x300.jpg [wind-267x300.jpg
Clouds, period and modern (formerly disallowed, see Nov 2020) Wind


Per Mistholme, may use PicDic art for submission purposes without prior permission.

Vector Graphics:[edit | edit source]

Annotated Pennsic Traceable Art Project[edit | edit source]

Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:[edit | edit source]

November 2020 - From Wreath: On Clouds[edit | edit source]

In the February 1994 return of Damales Redbeard's badge for Maison du Cheval Volant, Azure, on a cloud argent, a horseshoe inverted sable, it was stated:

[...] the cloud here is not drawn in a period manner, but is the modern "cotton candy" form of cloud.

This precedent has been directly quoted a number of times over the years, as recently as the July 2016 LoAR, which was itself cited earlier this year in the May 2020 pend for redraw of Thórey Knýtir Thórkelsdóttir's badge, (Fieldless) A natural rainbow proper its clouds transfixed by an arrow fesswise reversed purpure.

This month we were asked to consider a design involving another "cotton candy" cloud, maintained by a beast with its mouth in like manner as we might see a zephyr's exhalation. Commenters were able to identify a number of clouds in period armory to support this design, the clouds ranging from the traditional scallop-edged form in use in the Society to the "cotton candy" form denied by the February 1994 precedent:

  • From Insignia nobilium urbis Romae praecipuorum item Viterbiensium, BSB Co.icon. 268: the arms of DE ZEFFIRO and DE URBINUS (each "cotton candy"), DE BONAVENTURA (scalloped), and DE ARMIS (somewhere between "cotton candy" and scalloped);
  • From Insignia Veneta, BSB Cod.icon. 274: the arms of DE MUTIS, DI MUSONI, LINI, ALBANI, BATTIFERRI (all of which resemble a flat ruff or nebuly-edged disc from which hands issue);
  • And from Jakob Streit's Stammbuch, BSB Cod.icon. 313: a pair of arms each with an arm issuing from a cloud, one "cotton candy" and the other scalloped.

With this evidence, we are overturning the previous precedent, and now allow a more naturalistic depiction of clouds. In light of the regional nature of the evidence, we choose not to blazon them natural, and instead leave the style as artistic license in the same way we choose not to blazon the differences between German unicorns and English unicorns.

As always, identifiability of the cloud must be maintained, no matter the style.

https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2020/11/20-11cl.html#11

7/2016 - proper period depiction:[edit | edit source]

#130Eduard Schade der Altere. Device. Azure, a bend sinister sable fimbriated between a cloud argent and a flame Or. This device is returned for violating SENA A2C1 which states that "Elements must be drawn in their period forms". Here, the cloud is not drawn in a period heraldic form, which precedent states is grounds for return: > The cloud is not drawn in a period manner and is not acceptable: "Additionally, the cloud here is not drawn in a period manner, but is the modern "cotton candy" form of cloud." (LoAR February 1994 p.18). [Mara Fae, 12/2002, R-Outlands] http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/07/16-07lar.html#130

Registerability:[edit | edit source]

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

Conflict:[edit | edit source]

July 2005 LoAR:[edit | edit source]

Elisabetta Tempesta. Name and device. Azure, three clouds argent. This is clear of Cassandra de la Mistral, Azure, a Boreas (wind) affronty argent. There is a CD for changing the number of primary charges and another for the difference between a heraldic cloud and a Boreas affronty.

A prior return (February 1994) stated: "Damales Redbeard. Household badge for Maison du Cheval Volant. Azure, on a cloud argent, a horseshoe inverted sable. Conflict with Cassandra de la Mistral (SCA), Azure, a Boreas affronty argent. There is only one CD for the addition of the tertiary, and even that is minimal because it lies where the "face" of Cassandra's Boreas is. Additionally, the cloud here is not drawn in a period manner, but is the modern "cotton candy" form of cloud."

A re-examination of Cassandra's Boreas shows that there is a significant difference, or a CD, between a Boreas affronty and a cloud regardless of whether the cloud is a heraldic cloud or a modern cloud. We are thus explicitly overturning the cited February 1994 precedent.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/07/05-07lar.html

Identifiability:[edit | edit source]

Collected Precedents:[edit | edit source]


In the Ordinary[edit | edit source]

(includes aeoli, aeolus, boreas, mistral, nimbus... zephyr)