Editing Goats, Sheep


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=<span style="line-height: 1.5;">Illustrations:</span>= 
==<span style="line-height: 1.5;">Period sources:</span>== 
===<span style="line-height: 1.5;">Sheep and lambs</span>=== 
{|
| [[File:LivroArmeiro_f134v_purpure.jpg|201x241px|Livro]] 
| [[File:Siebmacher_Hunn_sheep_ram.jpg|Siebmacher]] 
| [[File:Powells_1345-1351_Ashmole804_lambs.jpg|Powell's]]
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| Livro do Armeiro Mor, 1506-09, Portugal, f134v, purpure, sheep, rope
| Siebmacher Armorial, 1605, von Hunn family, sheep
| Powell's Roll, MS Ashmole 804 Pt IV, 1345-52, lambs   
|}


===Sheep vs goats vs rams:=== 
[[File:Zurich-ram-goat-sheep.png|Zurich]]
Zurich Roll, c.1340: the arms of Rosnow or Rosenau, a ram; Swandeg or Schwandegg, a goat; and Schafli, a sheep. Provided by Bruce Draconarius

[[File:Neustifter_goat-sheep-ram.png|640x324px|Neustifter]]
Neustifter Wappenbuch, mid-16th Century: von Stofl, a goat; attributed arms of Job, a sheep; and Widman, a ram ("Widder" is German for ram). Found by Bruce Draconarius.

[[File:Siebmacher_ram-goat-sheep.png|Siebmacher's]]
Siebmacher's Wappenbuch,1605: the canting arms of Widman, with a ram; the canting arms of Bock, with a goat; and von Weitelshausen, with a sheep. Found by Bruce Draconarius.

==Modern:== 
==='''Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):'''=== 
* [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/goat/|Goat]]
* [[http://mistholme.com/dictionary/sheep/|Sheep]]

[[File:PicDic_head_monster_musimon.jpg|160x176px|Musimon]]

===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Vector Graphics:</span>=== 
* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Viking Answer Lady -[[http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/Heraldry_SVG_Images/index.htm]]</span>
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===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#Illustrations:-Modern:-Brickbat's Armorial Stash]]Brickbat's Armorial Stash</span>=== 
* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http://atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com/HeraldicArtBits.shtml]]:</span>

===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#Illustrations:-Modern:-Pennsic Traceable Art Project]][[scaheraldry/Pennsic Traceable Art Project|Pennsic Traceable Art Project]]</span>=== 
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=<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Sources:</span>= 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - [[http://www.s-gabriel.org/heraldry/]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Archive of St. Gabriel reports - [[http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Laurel Armory Articles - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/armory_articles.html]]</span>

<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">New Heraldic Primer (Heraldry for Non-Heralds) - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/armory/newprimer/]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry (PicDic), 3rd Edition - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #1155cc; font-family: arial,sans-serif;">[[@http://mistholme.com/pictorial-dictionary-of-heraldry]]</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> (in progress)</span>
[[scaheraldry/Period Armorials|Period Armorials]]

<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Parker's Heraldry - [[http://karlwilcox.com/parker/]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Riestap's </span>''<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #252525; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Armorial Général - </span>//<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[http:''www.euraldic.com/lasu/bl/bl_a_aa.html]]</span>

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=Precedents:= 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff; line-height: 1.5;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>''


==<u><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Definition:'''</span></u>== 

==='''November 2003 - sheep default:'''=== 
"Note that, in the SCA, the default sheep does not have horns"
[[http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2003/11/03-11lar.html|November 2003 LoAR]]


==<u><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Registerability (Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP):'''</span></u>== 


==<u><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Conflict:'''</span></u>== 

==='''May 2014 goat vs sheep:'''=== 
[[#47]]'''Paul fitz Denis.''' Badge. (Fieldless) A goat clymant argent. "This badge is not in conflict with the device of Etaoin of Lough Gara, ''Lozengy Or and azure, a sheep salient maintaining a drop spindle, threaded of its own wool, argent''. There is a DC for fieldlessness, and a DC for the change in type of primary charge from sheep to goat. Kingdom and commenters presented convincing evidence that sheep and goats were considered separate charges in period. This overturns past precedent wherein we granted no difference between sheep and goats." [Note that clymant is the same posture as salient, just used to describe goats.]
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05lar.html

===January 2003 - goat vs musimon head:=== 
[[#G_CALONTIR_24]]'''David Friedrich von Einbeck.''' Device. Vert, in bend sinister a goat's head couped and a patriarchal cross argent.
Conflict with Carol Stewart of Horsehill, ''Vert, a musimon's head erased argent, horns wreathed Or and sable''. There is one CD for adding the second primary charge (the patriarchal cross.) The change of the horn tincture between Carol's musimon head and David's goat head constitutes less than half the charge, and thus there is no tincture difference.
The musimon's head and the goat's head are quite similar visually. The only visual difference between these types of head is that a musimon has a set of ram's horns in addition to the goat horns. We are not aware of evidence indicating that a goat's head and a musimon's head would have been considered distinct charges in period. Thus, until such evidence has been presented to the contrary, we rule that difference will not be given between these charges on purely visual grounds. We note that in the case of the entire animal, in the LoAR of July 1998 no type difference was given between a goat and a musimon.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2003/01/03-01lar.html

===July 1998 - goat vs musimon:=== 
Leif Magnússon. Name and device. Vert, a goat rampant to sinister argent. "This device conflicts with the badge of Pendar the Bard (Fieldless) A musimon rampant contourny argent armed Or maintaining a lyre sable., registered on this LoAR. However, he has kindly provided a letter of permission to conflict.
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1998/07/lar.html

=='''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''== 
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory2.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#BEASTGoat|BEAST -- Goat and Sheep]], </span>[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#BEASTGoat|BEAST - Goat]], BEAST - Lamb see [[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#BEASTGoat|BEAST - Goat]], BEAST - Ram see [[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#BEASTGoat|BEAST - Goat]]
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - na</span>
The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - <span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html#BEASTGoat|BEAST -- Goat]]
The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - <span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - Beast-Goat see [[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html#Beast-Sheep-n-Goat|Beast-Sheep & Goat]], [[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html#Beast-Sheep-n-Goat|Beast-Sheep & Goat]]
The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) - <span style="color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html|the 1st part]]</span> (Nov 1993 - June 1994) and <span style="color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/daudIITOC.html|the 2nd part]]</span> (July 1994 - June 1996)
The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/B.html#beast-sheep|BEAST -- Sheep]]
The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - <span style="color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html|the 1st year]]</span> (June 1990 - June 1991) and <span style="color: #006600;">[[http:''heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html|the 2nd year]]</span> (July 1991 - June 1992)
The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMEB.html#BEASTSHEEPANDLAMB|Beast - Sheep and Lamb]]
The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html|Single HTML Document]]</span>
The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - <span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - <span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - <span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/volume1.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
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=The [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/index.html|Ordinary ]]:= 
* Beast - Ewe - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/B.html#beastgoat|Beast - Goat]]
* [[http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_desc.cgi?p=BEAST%2dGOAT%20AND%20SHEEP|Beast - Goat]] (includes fleece, lamb, musimon, sheep)
* Beast - Lamb - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/B.html#beastgoat|Beast - Goat]]
* Beast - Ram - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/B.html#beastgoat|Beast - Goat]]
* Beast - Sheep - see [[http://oanda.sca.org/ordinary/B.html#beastgoat|Beast - Goat]]


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