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=Precedents:=  
=Precedents:=  
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html]]</span>
Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html<br>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Morsulus Heralds Website - [[http://www.morsulus.org/]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">Restatement Wiki - [[http://yehudaheraldry.com/restatement/index.php?title=Main_Page]] (restatements of Precedents)</span>
''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.'''</span>''


==<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Definition:]]<u>'''Definition:'''</u></span>==
'' '''Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.''' ''


==Definition:==


==<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Registerability:]]<u>'''Registerability:'''</u></span>==
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)</span>


==='''May 2014 -''' <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 13px; line-height: 1.5;"> Tierces and Gussets and Gores, Oh My!</span>===  
==Registerability:==
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Also on the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss the registerability of gores, gussets, and tierces. In November 1991, Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces. In October 2012, we declared a step from period practice for the use of any other charge with a tierce.</span>
(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Much of the discussion centered around our standards for armorial elements. SENA A2B1 addresses this directly:</span>
 
> Attested Elements: Armorial elements are registerable if they are attested in period European armory. Designs found in a period roll of arms or a treatise on armory meet this standard, even if it is unclear from the treatise if the element was used in actual heraldry. Elements used in arms, in badges, and in crests all meet this standard. Elements must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory.
===January 2021 - On the Use of a Gore with Another Charge Directly on the Field===
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">Under current SENA rules, gores, gussets, and tierces are all registerable charges as they are elements found in period heraldic treatises. However, SENA also requires that elements "must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory," and we have no examples of these charges used in actual period armory.</span>
Since the May 2014 Cover Letter, there has been a step from period practice held for the use of a gore or a gusset with another charge directly on the field. At the time, research leading to this decision had failed to produce any evidence of gores beyond their appearance in treatises. This month, evidence of their use has now been brought to our attention: Wappen besonders von deutschen Geschlechtern, 1475-1560 German (München, BSB cod. icon. 309), f. 40v (https://app.digitale-sammlungen.de/bookshelf/bsb00002106) shows arms which we would blazon Gules, three cinquefoils and a gore argent. With this evidence, we remove the step from period practice for the use of gores or gussets with other charges directly on the field, and thank Alisoun Metron Ariston for raising the question, Iago Coquille for a timely response, and Jeanne-Marie Palimpsest for quick work in locating the original decision.
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">After much discussion and research, for which we heartily thank all of the commenters involved, and with some thought towards both period heraldry and the leeway allowed in Society armory, we are making the following rulings:</span>
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2021/01/21-01cl.html#7
* <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">The use of a tierce with any other charge on the field remains a step from period practice.</span>
 
* <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">The use of gores or gussets with other charges is now a step from period practice.</span>
===May 2014 -  Tierces and Gussets and Gores, Oh My!</span>===  
Also on the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss the registerability of gores, gussets, and tierces. In November 1991, Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces. In October 2012, we declared a step from period practice for the use of any other charge with a tierce.
 
Much of the discussion centered around our standards for armorial elements. SENA A2B1 addresses this directly:
Attested Elements: Armorial elements are registerable if they are attested in period European armory. Designs found in a period roll of arms or a treatise on armory meet this standard, even if it is unclear from the treatise if the element was used in actual heraldry. Elements used in arms, in badges, and in crests all meet this standard. Elements must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory.
 
Under current SENA rules, gores, gussets, and tierces are all registerable charges as they are elements found in period heraldic treatises. However, SENA also requires that elements "must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory," and we have no examples of these charges used in actual period armory.
 
After much discussion and research, for which we heartily thank all of the commenters involved, and with some thought towards both period heraldry and the leeway allowed in Society armory, we are making the following rulings:
* The use of a tierce with any other charge on the field remains a step from period practice.
* The use of gores or gussets with other charges is now a step from period practice. [but see Jan 2021 precedent above]
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html


==='''November 1991 - charging gores, gussets (and tierces)''':===  
===November 1991 - charging gores, gussets (and tierces):===  
"Based on the consensus of those commenting on this issue, the College will ban the use of charged gores and charged gussets, matching the ban on charged tierces. Uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces will continue to be registerable. Any charged gores or gussets currently pending at Laurel will be processed as having been "in the pipeline" before the ban went into effect. Therefore, after March 1, 1992, we will no longer register charged gores or gussets."
"Based on the consensus of those commenting on this issue, the College will ban the use of charged gores and charged gussets, matching the ban on charged tierces. Uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces will continue to be registerable. Any charged gores or gussets currently pending at Laurel will be processed as having been "in the pipeline" before the ban went into effect. Therefore, after March 1, 1992, we will no longer register charged gores or gussets."
[[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1991/11/cvr.html|November 1991 LoAR Cover Letter]]
[http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/1991/11/cvr.html November 1991 LoAR Cover Letter]
 


==<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Conflict:]]<u>'''Conflict:'''</u></span>==


==Conflict:==


==<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">[[#x--Precedents:-Identifiability:]]<u>'''Identifiability:'''</u></span>==


==Identifiability:==






==<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''</span>==
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - [[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory2.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008)</span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;"> - </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#GORE|GORE]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html|Collected Armory Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html|Single HTML Document]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996)</span>'''<span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> -</span>'''
* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html|the 1st part]]</span> (Nov 1993 - June 1994) and</span>
* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/daudIITOC.html|the 2nd part]]</span> (July 1994 - June 1996)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/|Collected precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) - </span>
* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html|the 1st year]]</span> (June 1990 - June 1991) and</span>
* <span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html|the 2nd year]]</span> (July 1991 - June 1992)</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMETOP.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html|Single HTML Document]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - </span><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #006600;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html|Collected Precedents]]</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - </span>[[http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/atoc.html#abatement|ABATEMENT]]


==<Collected Precedents:==
* 2nd Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (April 2011 - August 2011) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory2.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* 1st Tenure of Elisabeth de Rossignol (May 2005 - July 2008) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#GORE GORE]
* 2nd Tenure of François la Flamme (October 2004 - May 2005) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/goodbye.cgi?url=http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/sca/armoryprec.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* The Tenure of Shauna of Carrick Point (May 2004 - August 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* 1st Tenure of François la Flamme (August 2001 - April 2004) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/francois/wreath.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* The Tenure of Elsbeth Anne Roth (June 1999 - July 2001) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html Collected Armory Precedents]
* The Tenure of Jaelle of Armida (June 1996 - June 1999) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaeprec.html Single HTML Document]
* 2nd Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (November 1993 - June 1996) -
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/volume3.html the 1st part (Nov 1993 - June 1994)] and
** [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud2/daudIITOC.html the 2nd part (July 1994 - June 1996)]
* The Tenure of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (June 1992 - October 1993) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/bruce/ Collected precedents]
* 1st Tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda (June 1990 - June 1992) -
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1toc.html the 1st year (June 1990 - June 1991)] and
**  [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1btoc.html the 2nd year (July 1991 - June 1992)]
* The Tenure of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane (September 1986 - June 1990) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/alisoun/AMETOP.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Baldwin of Erebor (August 1984 - August 1986) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/baldwin.html Single HTML Document]
* The Tenure of Wilhelm von Schlüssel (August 1979 - August 1984) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/wilhelm/volume3.html Collected Precedents]
* The Tenure of Karina of the Far West (December 1975 - June 1979) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/karina/volume2.html Collected Precedents]
* The Early Days (June 1971 - June 1975) - [http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/early/atoc.html#abatement ABATEMENT]


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=The Ordinary :=  
(includes gusset, point)
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There has been some concern that gores were not actually used in period armory [but see below]. Apparently there are period heraldic tracts that describe it as "an abatement of honor" (i.e., a mark of disgrace). However, since tracts such as Legh's "Accedence of Armory", 1562, mention the gore, it's been accepted for Society use.

Guillim in A Display of Heraldry 1611 ( https://books.google.com/books?id=LbxWXIFDr30C&printsec ) also discusses gores.


Examples:

Period:

Familienwappen des Hohen Adels 40v-flowers-gore.png
Familienwappen des Hohen Adels, 40v, gore with flowers


Modern:

Pictorial Dictionary, 3rd edition:

Vector Graphics:

  • Viking Answer Lady - [[1]]


#Illustrations:-Modern:-Pennsic Traceable Art ProjectPennsic Traceable Art Project


#Sources:Sources:

Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Heraldry Archive" - [[2]] Archive of St. Gabriel reports - [[3]] Laurel Armory Articles - [[4]]

New Heraldic Primer (Heraldry for Non-Heralds) - [[5]] Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry (PicDic), 3rd Edition - @http://mistholme.com/pictorial-dictionary-of-heraldry (in progress) Period Armorials

Parker's Heraldry - [[6]] Riestap's Armorial Général - //http:''www.euraldic.com/lasu/bl/bl_a_aa.html


Precedents:

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Definition:

Registerability:

(Restricted, Reserved, SFPP, OOP)

January 2021 - On the Use of a Gore with Another Charge Directly on the Field

Since the May 2014 Cover Letter, there has been a step from period practice held for the use of a gore or a gusset with another charge directly on the field. At the time, research leading to this decision had failed to produce any evidence of gores beyond their appearance in treatises. This month, evidence of their use has now been brought to our attention: Wappen besonders von deutschen Geschlechtern, 1475-1560 German (München, BSB cod. icon. 309), f. 40v (https://app.digitale-sammlungen.de/bookshelf/bsb00002106) shows arms which we would blazon Gules, three cinquefoils and a gore argent. With this evidence, we remove the step from period practice for the use of gores or gussets with other charges directly on the field, and thank Alisoun Metron Ariston for raising the question, Iago Coquille for a timely response, and Jeanne-Marie Palimpsest for quick work in locating the original decision. https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2021/01/21-01cl.html#7

May 2014 - Tierces and Gussets and Gores, Oh My!

Also on the December 2013 Cover Letter, we asked commenters to discuss the registerability of gores, gussets, and tierces. In November 1991, Laurel banned the use of charged gores and gussets, matching the already-existing ban on charged tierces, but continued to allow the registration of uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces. In October 2012, we declared a step from period practice for the use of any other charge with a tierce.

Much of the discussion centered around our standards for armorial elements. SENA A2B1 addresses this directly:

Attested Elements: Armorial elements are registerable if they are attested in period European armory. Designs found in a period roll of arms or a treatise on armory meet this standard, even if it is unclear from the treatise if the element was used in actual heraldry. Elements used in arms, in badges, and in crests all meet this standard. Elements must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory.

Under current SENA rules, gores, gussets, and tierces are all registerable charges as they are elements found in period heraldic treatises. However, SENA also requires that elements "must be used and combined in the same ways they were used in period armory," and we have no examples of these charges used in actual period armory.

After much discussion and research, for which we heartily thank all of the commenters involved, and with some thought towards both period heraldry and the leeway allowed in Society armory, we are making the following rulings:

  • The use of a tierce with any other charge on the field remains a step from period practice.
  • The use of gores or gussets with other charges is now a step from period practice. [but see Jan 2021 precedent above]

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html

November 1991 - charging gores, gussets (and tierces):

"Based on the consensus of those commenting on this issue, the College will ban the use of charged gores and charged gussets, matching the ban on charged tierces. Uncharged gores, gussets, and tierces will continue to be registerable. Any charged gores or gussets currently pending at Laurel will be processed as having been "in the pipeline" before the ban went into effect. Therefore, after March 1, 1992, we will no longer register charged gores or gussets." November 1991 LoAR Cover Letter


Conflict:

Identifiability:

<Collected Precedents:

The Ordinary :

(includes gusset, point)