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==Conflict:==  
==<u>'''Conflict:'''</u>==  
===On Ordinaries of Chain===
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This month we were asked to consider potential conflict between a saltire of chain and a saltire.
 
Saltires of chain are not new to Society armory, but notably appear in period armory such as the arms of Benini, Or, a saltire of chain gules found in Insignia Florentinorum, BSB Cod.icon. 277, f.26r. (https://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00001424/image_59), and the arms of Castiglionchio, Argent, a saltire of chain azure, from Priorista, ou catal. des prieurs de Florence, par famille, avec les armoiries, Bibliothèque municipale de Auxerre 103, c 1535 Italian (https://bvmm.irht.cnrs.fr/iiif/23901/canvas/canvas-2377439/view), f. 91v, and other saltires of chain are borne by Alberti, Benci, Fantoni, Tegna, Volognano, and Zati.
 
In addition, multiple chains bendwise (i.e. bendlets of chain) can be found in the arms of Bancozzo, Centinaia, Gerini, and Tizzoni. Giamboni bears Argent, a cross of chain sable between four mullets Or. Canacci bears Gules, a pall of chain sable, sometimes with a dog's head in chief.
 
In none of these cases is there any evidence of families of the same name bearing plain ordinaries instead.
 
Aside from Insignia Florentinorum, sources for the above include:
* Florentine Priorista, c. 1530 Italian (Chicago, Newberry VAULT Case MS folio J 035 .714) (https://collections.carli.illinois.edu/digital/collection/nby_dig/id/21753)*
Priorista, ou catal. des prieurs de Florence, par famille, avec les armoiries, c 1535 Italian (Auxerre, Bibliothèque municipale, 103) (http://medium-avance.irht.cnrs.fr/ark:/63955/md311n79h689)
* The Priori of Florence, c. 1583-1595 Italian (Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Firenze, Banco rari. 22-23) (https://teca.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/ImageViewer/servlet/ImageViewer?idr=BNCF00004585787, https://teca.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/ImageViewer/servlet/ImageViewer?idr=BNCF00004585788)
 
Thanks are due Iago Coquille for the citations above.
 
Given this and the cited evidence of charges of chain generally, we consider there to be an SC between an ordinary and an ordinary of chain.
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2020/12/20-12cl.html
 
 
===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''May 1997 - charge vs. charge throughout:'''</span>===  
===<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">'''May 1997 - charge vs. charge throughout:'''</span>===  
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">In general there is a difference between an ordinary throughout vs. an ordinary couped, but not between a non-ordinary throughout vs. its non-throughout version.</span>
<span style="background-color: #ffffff;">In general there is a difference between an ordinary throughout vs. an ordinary couped, but not between a non-ordinary throughout vs. its non-throughout version.</span>
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==='''June 1990 - ordinary vs. ordinary couped:'''===  
==='''June 1990 - ordinary vs. ordinary couped:'''===  
[[@http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1c.html]] - "There is no difference between [an ordinary] and [the same ordinary] couped on fieldless armory." (LoAR 6/90 Symposium p.3).
[[@http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/daud/daud1c.html]] - "There is no difference between [an ordinary] and [the same ordinary] couped on fieldless armory." (LoAR 6/90 Symposium p.3).


=='''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''==  
=='''<u>Collected Precedents:</u>'''==  
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