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We are, therefore, removing the restriction on using half-white and half-red roses as part of a larger armorial design. We are registering those six badges to the Tudors, as they are important period badges, but we will no longer restrict their use entirely. Note that this does not remove the issue of presumption. The combination of the surname Tudor with armory which incorporates half white and half red roses may be considered to violate our rules on presumption and pretense. [http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/12/10-12cl.html December 2010 Cover Letter] | We are, therefore, removing the restriction on using half-white and half-red roses as part of a larger armorial design. We are registering those six badges to the Tudors, as they are important period badges, but we will no longer restrict their use entirely. Note that this does not remove the issue of presumption. The combination of the surname Tudor with armory which incorporates half white and half red roses may be considered to violate our rules on presumption and pretense. [http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/12/10-12cl.html December 2010 Cover Letter] | ||
===January 2004 - damask roses proper:=== | ===<span style="line-height: 1.5;">[[#52]]'''January 2004 - damask roses proper:''' </span>=== | ||
Cecily d'Abernon. Device. Azure, on a pale between two turtles argent three damask roses proper slipped and leaved vert. The ''damask roses proper | <span style="line-height: 1.5;"><span style="line-height: 1.5;">Cecily d'Abernon. Device. Azure, on a pale between two turtles argent three damask roses proper slipped and leaved vert. </span>The </span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">damask roses proper</span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;"> are drawn as naturalistic pink roses. The Letter of Intent cited the </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">Pictorial Dictionary</span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">, which states that "When blazoned as a 'garden rose' or a 'damask rose', the rose is depicted as found in nature, the petals overlapping and slightly spread... a garden rose may not be blazoned 'proper', but must have its tinctures explicitly blazoned. (The exception is the 'damask rose', a breed attested in Elizabethan herbals; this variety was always pink, so a 'damask rose proper' is pink, slipped vert)."The commentary was consistent in feeling that we should no longer blazon charges as damask roses, since damask roses are garden roses, citing the following precedent: "The commentary is in, with a clear majority of commenters in favor of adopting Baron Bruce's proposal that we continue to accept garden roses in SCA armory, but simply blazon them as </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">roses</span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">. As a consequence, we will immediately and henceforth blazon a rose, whether the default heraldic rose or the garden rose, as </span>//<span style="line-height: 1.5;">a rose</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">" (Cover Letter with the November 1994 LoAR).</span> | ||
The commentary also took issue with the statement in the ''Pictorial Dictionary'' that the damask rose was "always pink": both the commentary and the researches of Wreath's staff indicated that damask roses in the Elizabethan period could be found in both pink and white forms. | <span style="line-height: 1.5;"> The commentary also took issue with the statement in the </span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">Pictorial Dictionary</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;"> that the damask rose was "always pink": both the commentary and the researches of Wreath's staff indicated that damask roses in the Elizabethan period could be found in both pink and white forms.</span> | ||
If a "garden rose" is just an artistic variant of a heraldic rose, and a damask rose is a garden rose, then the "damask rose proper" has a problem because heraldic roses may not be pink, as pink is not a heraldic tincture. Some commenters suggested that perhaps the pink roses could be considered a "light gules" but the color of these roses is too far from gules to be considered a "light gules" (and is, moreover, too far from argent to be considered a "dark argent.") | <span style="line-height: 1.5;"> If a "garden rose" is just an artistic variant of a heraldic rose, and a damask rose is a garden rose, then the "damask rose proper" has a problem because heraldic roses may not be pink, as pink is not a heraldic tincture. Some commenters suggested that perhaps the pink roses could be considered a "light gules" but the color of these roses is too far from gules to be considered a "light gules" (and is, moreover, too far from argent to be considered a "dark argent.")</span> | ||
<span style="line-height: 1.5;"> The SCA has only registered three damask roses in its history. Of these three registrations, only one of them is still registered: one of the registrations was really gules, not pink (and was later reblazoned as </span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">gules</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">) and another one was released.</span> | |||
The SCA has only registered three damask roses in its history. Of these three registrations, only one of them is still registered: one of the registrations was really gules, not pink (and was later reblazoned as ''gules'') and another one was released. | <span style="line-height: 1.5;"> Because the pink naturalistic </span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;">damask rose</span>''<span style="line-height: 1.5;"> is not found in period heraldry, is not compatible with period heraldry, and is not found with great frequency in existing SCA heraldry, it will no longer be registered as of the July Laurel meeting.</span> | ||
Because the pink naturalistic ''damask rose'' is not found in period heraldry, is not compatible with period heraldry, and is not found with great frequency in existing SCA heraldry, it will no longer be registered as of the July Laurel meeting. | <span style="line-height: 1.5;">[[http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2004/01/04-01lar.html]]</span> | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2004/01/04-01lar.html | |||
===May 2014 - Complexity Counts and You:=== | ===May 2014 - Complexity Counts and You:=== | ||