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== | =='''Pictorial Dictionary of SCA Heraldry (3rd edition):'''== | ||
* http://mistholme.com/dictionary/rose/ Rose]] | * http://mistholme.com/dictionary/rose/ Rose]] | ||
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http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10lar.html#190 | http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10lar.html#190 | ||
===March 2012 - artistic depictions=== | ==='''March 2012 - artistic depictions'''=== | ||
A submission provoked a discussion of various period depictions of roses. A heraldic rose has typically five petals, occasionally six, or even four in Italian heraldry as seen in ''Stemmario Trivulziano''. Documentation proved that long stems and leaves are completely unremarkable with an otherwise heraldic rose. Certainly multi-petaled natural roses existed in period, most notably the Damask rose and the Apothecary's rose; however, the cabbage rose is modern. Roses in period heraldry, even when depicted more naturalistically, are always shown affronty, not in profile, and even the more naturalistic multi-petaled depictions use five main petals around the outside edge, with the other petals as internal detail. Therefore, the use of a depiction of a <u>modern rose in profile is now a step from period practice</u>. There is no difference granted between a modern rose in profile and a heraldic rose, and the difference will not be blazoned as we would prefer to encourage the use of heraldic roses instead. | A submission provoked a discussion of various period depictions of roses. A heraldic rose has typically five petals, occasionally six, or even four in Italian heraldry as seen in ''Stemmario Trivulziano''. Documentation proved that long stems and leaves are completely unremarkable with an otherwise heraldic rose. Certainly multi-petaled natural roses existed in period, most notably the Damask rose and the Apothecary's rose; however, the cabbage rose is modern. Roses in period heraldry, even when depicted more naturalistically, are always shown affronty, not in profile, and even the more naturalistic multi-petaled depictions use five main petals around the outside edge, with the other petals as internal detail. Therefore, the use of a depiction of a <u>modern rose in profile is now a step from period practice</u>. There is no difference granted between a modern rose in profile and a heraldic rose, and the difference will not be blazoned as we would prefer to encourage the use of heraldic roses instead. | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/03/12-03cl.html | http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/03/12-03cl.html | ||
===December 2010 - only 6 roses restricted:=== | ===December 2010 - only 6 roses restricted:'''=== | ||
We are, therefore, removing the restriction on using half-white and half-red roses as part of a larger armorial design. We are registering those six badges to the Tudors, as they are important period badges, but we will no longer restrict their use entirely. Note that this does not remove the issue of presumption. The combination of the surname Tudor with armory which incorporates half white and half red roses may be considered to violate our rules on presumption and pretense. [http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/12/10-12cl.html December 2010 Cover Letter] | We are, therefore, removing the restriction on using half-white and half-red roses as part of a larger armorial design. We are registering those six badges to the Tudors, as they are important period badges, but we will no longer restrict their use entirely. Note that this does not remove the issue of presumption. The combination of the surname Tudor with armory which incorporates half white and half red roses may be considered to violate our rules on presumption and pretense. [http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/12/10-12cl.html December 2010 Cover Letter] | ||
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http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2004/01/04-01lar.html | http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2004/01/04-01lar.html | ||
===May 2014 - Complexity Counts and You:=== | ==='''May 2014 - Complexity Counts and You:'''=== | ||
We will not count the tincture of purely artistic details, whether they are blazoned or not. This means a rose proper has only one tincture, gules, as the tincture of the barbing and seeding are considered artistic. http:heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html#4 | We will not count the tincture of purely artistic details, whether they are blazoned or not. This means a rose proper has only one tincture, gules, as the tincture of the barbing and seeding are considered artistic. http:heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/05/14-05cl.html#4 | ||
==Conflict:== | ==Conflict:== | ||
===February 2013 LoAR - trefoil vs. rose/cinquefoil:=== | ==='''February 2013 LoAR - trefoil vs. rose/cinquefoil:'''=== | ||
[[#27]]Rois O Faye. Device. Per chevron vert and argent, two roses slipped and leaved and a trefoil, a bordure counterchanged. | [[#27]]Rois O Faye. Device. Per chevron vert and argent, two roses slipped and leaved and a trefoil, a bordure counterchanged. | ||
As there is a DC between a trefoil and a rose or cinquefoil, there is no sword-and-dagger issue under SENA A3D1 with this design. | As there is a DC between a trefoil and a rose or cinquefoil, there is no sword-and-dagger issue under SENA A3D1 with this design. | ||