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Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html<br> | Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html<br> | ||
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)<br> | Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)<br> | ||
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===April 2012 - Tinctures and Other Descriptive Words in Order Names and Heraldic Titles:=== | ===April 2012 - Tinctures and Other Descriptive Words in Order Names and Heraldic Titles:=== | ||
In January 2012, we asked commenters to consider the current precedent regarding the use of color words in order names. In February 2003, Pelican ruled that "no evidence has been found that heraldic tinctures (rather than common color terms such as bleu) were used in order names." Since that time, our knowledge of period order names and heraldic titles has expanded considerably, in large part due to articles like my "Heraldic Titles from the Middle Ages and Renaissance" (found at http: | <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">In January 2012, we asked commenters to consider the current precedent regarding the use of color words in order names. In February 2003, Pelican ruled that "no evidence has been found that heraldic tinctures (rather than common color terms such as bleu) were used in order names." Since that time, our knowledge of period order names and heraldic titles has expanded considerably, in large part due to articles like my "Heraldic Titles from the Middle Ages and Renaissance" (found at http:''medievalscotland.org/jes/HeraldicTitlesSCA/index.shtml) and my "Medieval Secular Order Names" (found at http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/ or at http:''heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/).</span> | ||
<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium;">The color terms used in order names and heraldic titles are summarized in the May 2009 Cover Letter. They are the everyday terms for heraldic tinctures, mostly in French, but also in German, English, and Spanish. | |||
The color terms used in order names and heraldic titles are summarized in the May 2009 Cover Letter. They are the everyday terms for heraldic tinctures, mostly in French, but also in German, English, and Spanish. | |||
Several French terms are identical to the terms used for heraldic tinctures, including ''vert'', ''or'', and ''argent'' (which is found in sign names but not order names). This means that half the colors used in order names (vert, or and argent) are at least sometimes identical to the heraldic terms. Even ''vaire'' is found in French inn signs. Similarly, early blazon seems to have sometimes used the everyday color terms ''rouge'' and ''noir''. Given the variability in the use of heraldic and everyday terms, and the confusion this causes for submitters and commenters, we are hereby allowing the use of heraldic color terms in order names as well as the everyday terms. However, no convincing evidence has been presented for the use of non-heraldic color names, including the names for particular shades of a color, like ''scarlet'' or ''crimson''. | Several French terms are identical to the terms used for heraldic tinctures, including ''vert'', ''or'', and ''argent'' (which is found in sign names but not order names). This means that half the colors used in order names (vert, or and argent) are at least sometimes identical to the heraldic terms. Even ''vaire'' is found in French inn signs. Similarly, early blazon seems to have sometimes used the everyday color terms ''rouge'' and ''noir''. Given the variability in the use of heraldic and everyday terms, and the confusion this causes for submitters and commenters, we are hereby allowing the use of heraldic color terms in order names as well as the everyday terms. However, no convincing evidence has been presented for the use of non-heraldic color names, including the names for particular shades of a color, like ''scarlet'' or ''crimson''. | ||
There was relatively little commentary on the use of terms for posture and orientation. As such, we will not at this time rule on whether the patterns found for such terms in inn sign names should be extended to order names and heraldic titles. The question will be revisited when a relevant submission appears. | There was relatively little commentary on the use of terms for posture and orientation. As such, we will not at this time rule on whether the patterns found for such terms in inn sign names should be extended to order names and heraldic titles. The question will be revisited when a relevant submission appears. | ||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/04/12-04cl.html | http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/04/12-04cl.html | ||
===June 2011 - multiply-tinctured group:=== | ===June 2011 - multiply-tinctured group:=== | ||
[#162] Lillian atte Valeye. Device. Or, in bend a fleur-de-lys inverted sable between a fleur-de-lys vert and a fleur-de-lys purpure, in chief three bells sable. | [[#162]]Lillian atte Valeye. Device. Or, in bend a fleur-de-lys inverted sable between a fleur-de-lys vert and a fleur-de-lys purpure, in chief three bells sable. | ||
This device is returned for multiple reasons... The device is also returned for being two steps from period practice, formerly called 'weirdnesses'. One step was mentioned on the Letter of Intent: | This device is returned for multiple reasons... The device is also returned for being two steps from period practice, formerly called 'weirdnesses'. One step was mentioned on the Letter of Intent: | ||
> Questions were raised regarding having...three roundels in three different tinctures. While were unable, in a quick look, to find an example of the same charge in three different tinctures, the Dictionary of British Armory, 2 shows the arms of Milo Fitzwalter of Glouster as ''Gules, two bends the upper Or and lower argent'', making the use of the same change in three different tinctures only one weirdness [LoAR February 1998]. | |||
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/06/11-06lar.html | > http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/06/11-06lar.html | ||
===October 1998 - furs as plain tinctures:=== | ===October 1998 - furs as plain tinctures:=== | ||