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=== SENA Appendix A: Patterns That Do Not Need Further Documentation... ===
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==Appendix A: Patterns That Do Not Need Further Documentation... ==
http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixA (as of 12 October 2013)
http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixA (as of 12 October 2013)


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Try the Codex Cumanicus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Cumanicus
Try the Codex Cumanicus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Cumanicus
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=== '''SENA Appendix C: Regional Naming Groups and Their Mixes''' ===
 
== '''SENA Appendix C: Regional Naming Groups and Their Mixes''' ==
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixC (as of 5/2022)
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixC (as of 5/2022)
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'''Collected Name Precedents: Turkish -''' http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Turkish.html
'''Collected Name Precedents: Turkish -''' http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Turkish.html


==June 2022 CL - Chornie Klobuki, Encyclopedia Entries and Protected Entities==
From Pelican: <br>
This month we considered the submission Fellowship of the Black Hats. The Turkish tribes known as Chorni Klobuky (Black Hats in English) do not have a stand-alone entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica. However, there are two standard printed Ukrainian encyclopedias, Encyclopedia of History of Ukraine (a 10-volume encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_History_of_Ukraine) and Encyclopedia of Ukraine (a 5-volume encyclopedia published by the University of Toronto Press, online at http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/). There is a corresponding entry for this group in each of these sources, which are culture-specific to the name being considered for protection from presumption. We encourage commenters to expand beyond the standard Encyclopedia Britannica and other Anglo-centric sources when considering whether an entity is important enough to protect. We direct Palimpsest to update both SENA PN4D1 and SENA NPN4D1 to include language regarding equivalent non-English encyclopedias.


'''From the September 2012 Cover Letter:'''
In addition, as we considered this name we endeavored to look at these tribes through an intercultural lens; this consideration is paramount as we become more aware of exactly how much has been erased of non-European cultures, their accomplishments and their importance throughout history. Currently, however, SENA NPN4D1 does not explicitly list tribes and other cultural identities as entities we protect. It is our belief that it should. We direct Palimpsest to open a Rules Letter to discuss updating the language of SENA NPN4D1 to be more inclusive of indigenous tribes and other similar groups of people as entities we could protect from presumption.
From Palimpsest and Pelican: Mismatches in Appendix C http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/09/12-09cl.html#3|
 
https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2022/06/22-06cl.html#4
 
==September 2012 Cover Letter - Mismatches in Appendix C==
A couple enterprising heralds pointed out to me that there were further mismatches in Appendix C of SENA beyond the two repaired in the June 2012 Cover Letter. After consultation with Pelican, it is clear that in all cases of mismatch, they should be resolved by making them compatible in both directions. Appendix C has been updated to resolve all the mismatches.
A couple enterprising heralds pointed out to me that there were further mismatches in Appendix C of SENA beyond the two repaired in the June 2012 Cover Letter. After consultation with Pelican, it is clear that in all cases of mismatch, they should be resolved by making them compatible in both directions. Appendix C has been updated to resolve all the mismatches.
For reference, the updates are as follows (all are listed by Regional Group name): Hungarian/Romanian is added as compatible to German and South Slavic for both 550-1100 and 1100-1600; Mongol is added as compatible to Arabic, Hungarian/Romanian, Russian/East Slavic, and Turkish for 1100-1600; Persian is added as compatible to Arabic and Turkish for 1100-1600; and Turkish is added as compatible to Italian for 1100-1600.
For reference, the updates are as follows (all are listed by Regional Group name): Hungarian/Romanian is added as compatible to German and South Slavic for both 550-1100 and 1100-1600; Mongol is added as compatible to Arabic, Hungarian/Romanian, Russian/East Slavic, and Turkish for 1100-1600; Persian is added as compatible to Arabic and Turkish for 1100-1600; and Turkish is added as compatible to Italian for 1100-1600.
Please note that these compatibilities were already listed in Appendix C in the other direction; their omission was an oversight uncaught in proofreading.
Please note that these compatibilities were already listed in Appendix C in the other direction; their omission was an oversight uncaught in proofreading.


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Basic Information:[edit | edit source]

Sources:[edit | edit source]

Academy of St. Gabriel - http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/islamic.shtml
Database of medieval names (from the Medieval Names Archive) - http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/database/
Archive of St. Gabriel reports - http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/archive.cgi

Laurel Name Articles - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/%7Chttp:heraldry.sca.org/laurel/
IGI Searches, batches beginning with C, J, K, M (except M17 and M18), or P are acceptable - https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi

"Sixteenth-Century Turkish Names" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ursula/ottoman/)

"Personal Names in The history of the warres betweene the Turkes and the Persians" - http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ursula/warres.html

"Women's Names from 16th Century Istanbul" - http://www.issendai.com/16thcenturyistanbul/turkish-names/womens-names-from-16th-century-istanbul/


SENA[edit | edit source]

Appendix A: Patterns That Do Not Need Further Documentation...[edit | edit source]

http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixA (as of 12 October 2013)

Turkish

Turkish names are quite different from European names; they are somewhat like Arabic names, but do not follow all Arabic patterns. All patterns found in Ursula Georges, "Sixteenth-Century Turkish Names" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ursula/ottoman/) are registerable.

Cuman, Polovsti, maybe Kipchak:

Try the Codex Cumanicus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Cumanicus


SENA Appendix C: Regional Naming Groups and Their Mixes[edit | edit source]

http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixC (as of 5/2022)

Regional Groups: By Time Period: Languages Included In This Group: Can Be Combined With Groups:
Turkish 550-1100 n/a n/a
1100-1600 Turkish, etc. Arabic

Greek
Italian
Mongol (per Sept 2012 Cover Letter)
Persian (per Sept 2012 Cover Letter)
South Slavic

Precedents:[edit | edit source]

Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/precedents.html
Morsulus Heralds Website - http://www.morsulus.org/ (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

Use the above links to be sure any precedents listed below haven't been superseded by newer precedents.

Collected Name Precedents: Turkish - http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Turkish.html

June 2022 CL - Chornie Klobuki, Encyclopedia Entries and Protected Entities[edit | edit source]

From Pelican:
This month we considered the submission Fellowship of the Black Hats. The Turkish tribes known as Chorni Klobuky (Black Hats in English) do not have a stand-alone entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica. However, there are two standard printed Ukrainian encyclopedias, Encyclopedia of History of Ukraine (a 10-volume encyclopedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_History_of_Ukraine) and Encyclopedia of Ukraine (a 5-volume encyclopedia published by the University of Toronto Press, online at http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/). There is a corresponding entry for this group in each of these sources, which are culture-specific to the name being considered for protection from presumption. We encourage commenters to expand beyond the standard Encyclopedia Britannica and other Anglo-centric sources when considering whether an entity is important enough to protect. We direct Palimpsest to update both SENA PN4D1 and SENA NPN4D1 to include language regarding equivalent non-English encyclopedias.

In addition, as we considered this name we endeavored to look at these tribes through an intercultural lens; this consideration is paramount as we become more aware of exactly how much has been erased of non-European cultures, their accomplishments and their importance throughout history. Currently, however, SENA NPN4D1 does not explicitly list tribes and other cultural identities as entities we protect. It is our belief that it should. We direct Palimpsest to open a Rules Letter to discuss updating the language of SENA NPN4D1 to be more inclusive of indigenous tribes and other similar groups of people as entities we could protect from presumption.

https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2022/06/22-06cl.html#4

September 2012 Cover Letter - Mismatches in Appendix C[edit | edit source]

A couple enterprising heralds pointed out to me that there were further mismatches in Appendix C of SENA beyond the two repaired in the June 2012 Cover Letter. After consultation with Pelican, it is clear that in all cases of mismatch, they should be resolved by making them compatible in both directions. Appendix C has been updated to resolve all the mismatches. For reference, the updates are as follows (all are listed by Regional Group name): Hungarian/Romanian is added as compatible to German and South Slavic for both 550-1100 and 1100-1600; Mongol is added as compatible to Arabic, Hungarian/Romanian, Russian/East Slavic, and Turkish for 1100-1600; Persian is added as compatible to Arabic and Turkish for 1100-1600; and Turkish is added as compatible to Italian for 1100-1600.

Please note that these compatibilities were already listed in Appendix C in the other direction; their omission was an oversight uncaught in proofreading.

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/09/12-09cl.html



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