Water-based Names

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Basic Information:[edit]

These are names based on water or bodies of water such as rivers, lakes, oceans, well, etc.

General Sources:[edit]

Academy of St. Gabriel "Medieval Names Archive" - [[1]] Database of medieval names (from the Medieval Names Archive) - http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/database/

Laurel Name Articles - http:heraldry.sca.org/laurel/

Period Forms:[edit]

Middle English: [edit]

  • <de Derwente> 1279 (s.n. Derwent), [Reany and Wilson]
  • <de Sowe> 1203 (s.n. Sow), [Reany and Wilson]
  • <Severne> 1362 (s.n. Severn), [Reany and Wilson]
  • <Gilpen> 1387 (s.n. Gilpin), [Reany and Wilson]
  • <Carne> (s.n. Carn), [Reany and Wilson]
  • <at {th}e Medeway> (s.n. Meadway), [Reany and Wilson]
  • <Doultyng> 1327 (s.n. Doutling), [Reany and Wilson]
  • <atte Sture> 1332 (s.n. Stower). [Reany and Wilson]
  • <Bartholomew de Crek> 1187, (s.n. Creek), Reany and Wilson]
  • <John de Creke> 1298, (s.n. Creek), Reany and Wilson]
  • <John Creek> 1365. (s.n. Creek), Reany and Wilson]

Middle English Dictionary entry for "creek" has multiple spellings including creke, "cryke", "crike", etc. (as well as versions starting with K instead of C). @http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=byte&byte=36523956&egdisplay=open&egs=36529758

French: [edit]

Baniaze ? (from the 1292 Paris census), names from the Rhein and Rhone (from Dauzat).

<de la Mare> is in article at @http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423.html

de la Riviere - 1421 French surname in 'French Surnames from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438' by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman)' @http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423surnames.html

German: [edit]

Sayn derived from the Seine [Source?]

Norse Placenames:[edit]

<Norðfjǫrðr> 'North fjord' is mentioned in the Landnámabók: @http://my.stratos.net/~bmscott/Landnamabok_Place-Names.html

"Norske Gaardnavne" @http://www.dokpro.uio.no/rygh_ng/rygh_felt.html vol.17, page.83 14. Nordfjord. has:

All of these are in in the dative case (ending in -i/j there, in Old Icelandic -í), so in nominative case, firdi ( firði) becomes fiordr (fjörðr), fyordhr or maybe fyordr


Precedents of the SCA College of Arms - [[2]] Morsulus Heralds Website - [[3]] (to search the LoARs and Precedents)

February 2008 LoAR - locatives based on Scots river names not documented: Kevin MacGregor of Kelwiny. Name and device. Gules, on a pile Or a mastiff statant sable, a bordure argent. Originally submitted as Kevin__ MacGregor of Kel__v__i__n...__// the only documentation provided for the byname of Kelvin was a river whose name was recorded as Kelvin in 1200. No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that river names were used to form Scots locative bynames in period; barring such documentation, locative bynames based on Scots river names are not registerable. Black, //The Surnames of Scotland//, s.n. Kelwiny, dates the similar (though so far as we can tell unrelated) byname //de Kelwiny// to 1296. We have changed the name to //__Kevin__ MacGregor of Kel__w__i__ny in order to register it in a form close to the one originally submitted. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2008/02/08-02lar.html

January 1996 LoAR - cloudy not used to describe dark or murky water:

Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 2nd year) 1996.01 [returning the Shire of Cloudy River] The name was chosen on account of a `large, murky river' running through the shire; however, cloudy does not seem to have been used in this sense in period place-names. The Old English place-name elements fûl `foul, dirty, filthy', fennig `dirty, muddy, marshy', blæc `black, dark-colored, dark', êa `river, stream', and wæter `water, an expanse of water; lake, pool; stream, river' can be used to construct a variety of period-style place-names with basically the desired meaning. In likely Middle English forms some of these would be: Fuleye, Fulewatere, Fennywatere, Blakeye, and Blakewatere (actually attested from 1279). (Talan Gwynek, LoAR January 1996, p. 24)